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Raid loot ratio?

Postby Rasmfrackn » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:18 pm

I haven't been keeping up on the raid testing nights, but are they itemized yet? I was curious if the 25s were dropping more loot per person than 10s. E.g. 6/25 per boss vs 2/10. That seemed to be their stated goal but it's always hard to infer from their stated goal from months ago.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Chicken » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:23 pm

Currently 10-man bosses drop 2 pieces of loot, 25-man bosses drop 5 pieces of loot. I don't think they can drop duplicate items outside of tier tokens, which does affect the chance of things a bit.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby mavfin » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:35 pm

I'm hearing that the 6 pieces in a 25-man will only be in heroic, but, who knows what will actually make it live.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby rodos » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Valor Points per person per boss is higher on 25 though, right?
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:41 pm

rodos wrote:Valor Points per person per boss is higher on 25 though, right?

we got 2 frost per 10man boss in ICC
did we get 3+ per 25man boss?
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby rodos » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:52 pm

bldavis wrote:
rodos wrote:Valor Points per person per boss is higher on 25 though, right?

we got 2 frost per 10man boss in ICC
did we get 3+ per 25man boss?

That was the past. We're talking about the future here.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026399005&sid=1
Nethaera wrote:Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points


That was on 6th October. I was just wondering if that was still the case.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Phonic » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:56 pm

We did a few of kills in 25-man in Blackwing Descent and Bastion of Twilight. I thought they dropped 6 pieces, but it could have been 5... I'll check again when/if beta instances are up tomorrow.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Braundo » Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:27 am

rodos wrote:That was the past. We're talking about the future here.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026399005&sid=1
Nethaera wrote:Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points


That was on 6th October. I was just wondering if that was still the case.

This. As far as I know, no contrary information has been released by Blizzard since, so we can only assume that this is still the plan.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Palisade » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:16 am

Braundo wrote:
rodos wrote:That was the past. We're talking about the future here.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27026399005&sid=1
Nethaera wrote:Cataclysm 10-player raid boss -- 75 Valor Points
Cataclysm 25-player raid boss -- 105 Valor Points


That was on 6th October. I was just wondering if that was still the case.

This. As far as I know, no contrary information has been released by Blizzard since, so we can only assume that this is still the plan.


30 points per boss is huge.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Malthrax » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:35 am

Palisade wrote:30 points per boss is huge.


Only until you run out of things to spend the points on, then its rather trivial.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:37 am

Sorry to butt in here... but Valor Points are from raids... please tell me they won't also be available by doing the daily heroic?
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Sabindeus » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:38 am

Nikachelle wrote:Sorry to butt in here... but Valor Points are from raids... please tell me they won't also be available by doing the daily heroic?


They will, just like EoF were available from the daily heroic in WotLK.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Malthrax » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:41 am

Sabindeus wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:Sorry to butt in here... but Valor Points are from raids... please tell me they won't also be available by doing the daily heroic?


They will, just like EoF were available from the daily heroic in WotLK.


However, there'll be a weekly cap on VPoint accumulation, so depending on what kinda of raiding you do, you may not need to run the daily heroic every day (or even at all) in order to hit that weekly accumulation cap.

At least... that was the original plan. I hope they didn't change their mind.
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Nikachelle » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:42 am

Sabindeus wrote:
Nikachelle wrote:Sorry to butt in here... but Valor Points are from raids... please tell me they won't also be available by doing the daily heroic?


They will, just like EoF were available from the daily heroic in WotLK.

This makes me grumble. I thought Blizzard established that they wanted to get people AWAY from having to do the daily heroic grind.

Edit: So we're also right fucking back to square one, and giving raiding gear to non-raiders. Didn't we learn anything from the last expansion?
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Re: Raid loot ratio?

Postby Braundo » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:44 am

Malthrax wrote:However, there'll be a weekly cap on VPoint accumulation, so depending on what kinda of raiding you do, you may not need to run the daily heroic every day (or even at all) in order to hit that weekly accumulation cap.

At least... that was the original plan. I hope they didn't change their mind.

I see the Weekly Cap text for the Conquest Points placeholder in-game right now, I assume that'll be the case for Valor Points as well.

That is a good point, though -- I had forgotten about that. Sounds like that'll allow 10- and 25-man raiders to obtain Valor points at the same rate, except that 10-man raiders will have to do a bit of extra work to hit the weekly Valor cap. I can live with that.
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