PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

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PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:17 pm

Holy
Enlightened Judgements now also Increases the range of your Judgement by 5/10 yards.
Divinity is gone, moved to Protection
Protector of the Innocent is now a Tier 1 Holy Talent and has been revamped - Casting a targeted heal on any target, including yourself, also heals you for 1240.83 to 1427.62. (Multi ranks, but currently all with the same value)

Protection
Divinity is now a Tier 1 Protection talent.
Protector of the Innocent is gone, moved to Holy.
Guarded by the Light additional effect - In addition, your Word of Glory will also cause Holy Shield.
Judgements of the Just now also reduces ranged attack speed.

Retribution
Crusader Strike now causes 120% weapon damage, up from 100%.
Selfless Healer now increases the effectiveness of Word of Glory's heal by 25/50% when used on others.
The Art of War now causes 100% additional damage, up from 30%.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby steadypal » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:19 pm

awesome changes makes word of glory really good...


specially with chance to not lose hp....
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby d503 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:32 pm

Still don't wanna use WoG :/ But at least I can spec Divinity now and not feel like I'm not getting the best threat out of my build :)
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Thornir » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:51 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Guarded by the Light additional effect - In addition, your Word of Glory will also cause Holy Shield.


Boo. I liked the choice :(
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:56 pm

Without having another HoPow generator, the cost was too step for WoG over HS(Inq/ShoR) -- I really wasn't expecting that change to be honest.

But I'm really glad they listened regarding Tier1 for prot paladins. Now it does feel like a choice.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Orthien » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:58 pm

I think its a good change, still not quite there yet with making me want WoG but at least now only threat suffers for using it.
Still waiting on a proc based HoPo generator then I will be more than happy with the trees and will probibly use WoG.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Thornir » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:15 pm

It's funny, DKs are whining all over that Runic Empowerment makes their rotation too random, and randomness and tanking don't go together.

We're on the other side, saying that we need more randomness in our rotation.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Sonic » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:34 pm

Klaudandus wrote:But I'm really glad they listened regarding Tier1 for prot paladins. Now it does feel like a choice.



I disagree. It's 2 healing talents or a dps (threat?) talent. That still isn't a (good) choice. While the seal boost is great for us, it's for ret to fill. And the other 2 are for holy fillers.

Where's the tank based choice?
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby d503 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:41 pm

Tanking is more than just survival. SotP is the tank choice, and the flavor/choice becomes which of the two healing talents you end up taking to get to tier 2.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Sonic » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:00 pm

ok so SotP is a threat choice. Great. Don't need 2 healing choices though.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby d503 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:03 pm

Sonic wrote:ok so SotP is a threat choice. Great. Don't need 2 healing choices though.


Agreed. I actually liked HoJ there. It was an interesting CC/Utility choice.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby steadypal » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:18 pm

actually after thinking about it, they kinda forced us to waste 5 talent points, LOL and cant divinity be just 2/2 to fill it up to make going to the next tree easier lol... and still think change guarded by the light to produce a bubble at all times its used instead of only overheal would be ideal...
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Warsadin » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:45 pm

The plain and simple fact that we can get out of this is that they do want us to use WoG. We can plainly see that. We have all suggested, at least it should cause Holy Shield. Boom, we have holy shield attached to it now.

Personally it's ok as is with this change, but really, it should be probably a bit higher on the % chance not to use the Holy Power. As a player I say that. As a developer, I can see where the tradeoff is necessary.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby PsiVen » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:46 pm

steadypal wrote:awesome changes makes word of glory really good...


specially with chance to not lose hp....


Is this sarcasm? It still heals for very little, only works if you have Holy Power, and is only used if you're not particularly concerned about Holy Shield falling off in a little while because you're probably about to die anyway.

Even if it never actually cost any Holy Power, the requirement to have 3 HP for the full heal is too cumbersome.
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Re: PTR Build 13033 - 9/23/10

Postby Fenris » Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:17 am

Warsadin wrote:Personally it's ok as is with this change, but really, it should be probably a bit higher on the % chance not to use the Holy Power. As a player I say that. As a developer, I can see where the tradeoff is necessary.

The only way i thin EG could work is making it proc "from something & works on the next WoG you cast" so that the free one use can be planned
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