Does anyone pick up GbtL ?

[Thornir]

Maybe if they set it to gain a HoPo off of blocking? That's random enough to make our rotation fluctuate, but with an ICD it would controllable enough in an AoE environment.

[Chicken]

The extra Holy Damage on HotR hits the primary target so it does a fair bit more damage with fast weapons.

Wasn't there a blue post somewhere saying that was unintentional though? I might be misremembering.

I (And likely a bunch of others!) suggested that as a way of fixing the problem but it's not something Blizzard has officially stated.

Either way, it would be a simple fix. Instead of hitting the primary target for 30% and having a baseline amount for the splash damage, just remove the primary target part and have it hit everyone in the AoE for 30% weapon damage. Numbers subject to tweaking of course - with this situation you could boost it to 60% or 75% to balance our AoE effectiveness without having to worry about eclipsing CS.

It'd still have to do the damage as Holy damage though, they do want it to interact with Inquisition for extra AoE threat. Though a similar idea in regards to fixing the ability would be to make it do 30% weapon damage and a seal proc on all targets hit. That's automatically balanced with CS (As that's 100% damage + seal proc I believe?), and adds a bit of uniqueness to the ability since it borrows more from Paladin mechanics to achieve its effect.

[theckhd]

I was still intending it to do Holy damage, though I guess I didn't state that explicitly. I like the seal idea too, that's clever. The 30% weapon damage portion may still have to be Holy though to make the Inquisition tie-in more obvious.

[Flex]

Maybe if they set it to gain a HoPo off of blocking? That's random enough to make our rotation fluctuate, but with an ICD it would controllable enough in an AoE environment.

The explicitly stated they do not like the idea of having it be tied to being attacked as it makes it more beneficial to tank more on a paladin.

[Darielle]

Since we can't get to second tier talents anyway on the PTR, I just went for Reckoning, which is kinda awesome.

[Rasmfrackn]

I guess I was looking at it from buffing CS not tweaking HotR, mostly because CS is really weak as a button to press compared to everything else, even judgement, with my gear.

It would be nice if HotR scaled directly with weapon damage, I agree. Then it would be less of a direct rip off of holy nova, at least. I don't think they can go much above 50% though, since they have to keep a mind for holy dmg vs physical damage in pvp or something.

[theckhd]

I guess I was looking at it from buffing CS not tweaking HotR, mostly because CS is really weak as a button to press compared to everything else, even judgement, with my gear.

It would be nice if HotR scaled directly with weapon damage, I agree. Then it would be less of a direct rip off of holy nova, at least. I don't think they can go much above 50% though, since they have to keep a mind for holy dmg vs physical damage in pvp or something.

Well, it wouldn't be hard to buff CS with a deep prot talent. "Your Crusader Strike now hits 50% harder when using a 1-handed weapon," for example. It's a bland enough boost that it could easily be tied into any of the other bland deep prot talents.

I think their original intent was that you should be excited to hit CS anyway because of Holy Power. Since it doesn't seem that sentiment has taken hold, it wouldn't hurt to buff its damage to make us more excited about it.

[Noradin]

If we got SP from AP instead of STR and thus from vengeance WoG might be something to consider.

And CS could just always hit for 150% weapon damage when used with a onehanded weapon. It's not like ret would switch since they would loose damage on other abilities or loose weapon swings. (But holy might use it more.)

[Sabindeus]

If we got SP from AP instead of STR and thus from vengeance WoG might be something to consider.

I think that's exactly why it doesn't work that way. Consider how unstoppable Prot Paladins in healing gear would be in PVP.

That having been said... does Word of Glory even scale from SP at all?

[Dantriges]

Seems to me we have to wait half a year until they get us up to an ancceptable level as usual.

[PsiVen]

If we got SP from AP instead of STR and thus from vengeance WoG might be something to consider.

I think that's exactly why it doesn't work that way. Consider how unstoppable Prot Paladins in healing gear would be in PVP.

That having been said... does Word of Glory even scale from SP at all?

I'm getting really sick of this reasoning as it seems to be Blizzard's basis for destroying Prot/Ret self-healing abilities. Nobody likes "Proly" or Ret healing specs, so stop tiptoeing around and make them impossible. Protection/Retribution specialization: Reduces the benefit from Intellect on gear by 100%. Solved.

[Darielle]

I'm getting really sick of this reasoning as it seems to be Blizzard's basis for destroying Prot/Ret self-healing abilities. Nobody likes "Proly" or Ret healing specs, so stop tiptoeing around and make them impossible. Protection/Retribution specialization: Reduces the benefit from Intellect on gear by 100%. Solved.

Unfortunately I doubt that'll ever happen unless things get really out of hand - along with the laundry list of things they tiptoe around because they want things to work a way, but don't want to do X to force it to work.

[Sabindeus]

I don't really think having Word of Glory not scale with Vengeance is such a huge issue. It just needs to be tuned to heal for some reasonable amount for Prot.

[Candiru]

Having spellpower scale with AP would also make it scale with HP(with vengeance.)

Warriors and Dks have abilities which heal a %of max health, so I don't see why we shouldn't have the same thing. In PvP you can just *not* attack the paladin for a few seconds and let the buff drop off. Or dispel it. And its only a heal every 12s which stops the paladin doing any meaningful damage...

Can we just get spellpower to scale with HP again directly? That would solve the vengeance problem since it comes to the same thing, only we wouldn't need vengeance up. This was only taken away due to holy paladins in prot gear, but with Divine Plea and SoW changes, that won't be viable at all.

[Sabindeus]

Having spellpower scale with AP would also make it scale with HP(with vengeance.)

Warriors and Dks have abilities which heal a %of max health, so I don't see why we shouldn't have the same thing. In PvP you can just *not* attack the paladin for a few seconds and let the buff drop off. Or dispel it. And its only a heal every 12s which stops the paladin doing any meaningful damage...

Can we just get spellpower to scale with HP again directly? That would solve the vengeance problem since it comes to the same thing, only we wouldn't need vengeance up. This was only taken away due to holy paladins in prot gear, but with Divine Plea and SoW changes, that won't be viable at all.

I dunno, I'd be pretty scared of having 100k HP Prot Paladins in Holy Gear with 10k of spellpower from Vengeance, plus whatever's on their gear, throwing around Flashes and Divine Lights, and then Judging to get like 7k mana back.