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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Rasmfrackn » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:22 pm

Flex wrote:So, looks like the advent of Str 1 handers may mean no more fast tanking weapons.

Yay.

I'd say the advent of heroic strike becoming a no-GCD instant instead of an ONA is the reason.

Might as well lump tanks in with SMF warriors and frost DKs to cut down on itemization, imo... just remove "tank" weapons and balance accordingly. Give me a weapon with a threat stat and Mastery on it and I'll be happy.
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Sabindeus » Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:48 pm

Rasmfrackn wrote:
Flex wrote:So, looks like the advent of Str 1 handers may mean no more fast tanking weapons.

Yay.

I'd say the advent of heroic strike becoming a no-GCD instant instead of an ONA is the reason.

Might as well lump tanks in with SMF warriors and frost DKs to cut down on itemization, imo... just remove "tank" weapons and balance accordingly. Give me a weapon with a threat stat and Mastery on it and I'll be happy.


Seriously. Making Str 1Hs with defensive stats on them would be the dumbest thing ever and if they actually do it for release I will be disappointed.
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Petrus » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:38 am

Partly to link something to test the mmo-champ links, and partly to add to the discussion:

MMO-Champion: [Mace of Transformed Bone]
Wowhead: [Mace of Transformed Bone] <---- This link will work when Wowhead updates their db with the item, which might not be for a while, but you can see the difference in tooltip here.


As for the list, I personally much prefer wowhead. The formatting involved in converting all my links to mmo-champ ones is extensive and I'll try to make it so that I run two documents - one with half wowhead (stable)/half mmochamp (non-wowhead items) links and one with all wowhead links. The WoWhead links have comments, screenshots, etc... just more features in general but it's nice to be able to use the mmo-champ links if I need to (i.e. when the item isn't on wowhead yet).

Edit: Wowhead also shows icons, which is neat but I guess not completely necessary. Ultimately every final live version of the list (i.e. ones with no remaining PTR/Beta links) will be fully Wowhead listed as opposed to MMO-champ listed.
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby lythac » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:40 am

Some cloaks.

MMO-Champion links -

[Twilight Dragonscale Cloak] - Crafted
[Cloak Of War] - Crafted
[Shroud Of Dark Memories] - Unknown
[Shellscale Cloak] - Crafted
[Stonerender Drape] - Quest: Therazanes Mercy
[Burned Gatherings] - Karsh Steelbender, Blackrock Caverns

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[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56549][color=purple][Twilight Dragonscale Cloak][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78476]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56519][color=blue][Cloak Of War][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78439]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56219][color=blue][Shroud Of Dark Memories][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56489][color=green][Shellscale Cloak][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/78405]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61406][color=green][Stonerender Drape][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/26832]Quest: Therazanes Mercy[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55270][color=blue][Burned Gatherings][/color][/url] - Karsh Steelbender, Blackrock Caverns


Wowhead links -

[Twilight Dragonscale Cloak] - Crafted
[Cloak Of War] - Crafted
[Shroud Of Dark Memories] - Unknown
[Shellscale Cloak] - Crafted
[Stonerender Drape] - Quest: Therazanes Mercy
[Burned Gatherings] - Karsh Steelbender, Blackrock Caverns

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[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56549][color=purple][Twilight Dragonscale Cloak][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78476]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56519][color=blue][Cloak Of War][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78439]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56219][color=blue][Shroud Of Dark Memories][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56489][color=green][Shellscale Cloak][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=78405]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61406][color=green][Stonerender Drape][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/quest=26832]Quest: Therazanes Mercy[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55270][color=blue][Burned Gatherings][/color][/url] - Karsh Steelbender, Blackrock Caverns
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby lythac » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:44 am

As I've mainly been using the MMO-Champ links what I've been doing is making a list with their links and the formatting then taking it into word and replacing -

db.mmo-champion.com/i/ with cata.wowhead.com/item=
db.mmo-champion.com/q/ with cata.wowhead.com/quest=
db.mmo-champion.com/s/ with cata.wowhead.com/spell=

To get my wowhead links.
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby lythac » Fri Sep 10, 2010 6:21 am

Some shields.

MMO-Champion -

[Elementium Earthguard] - Crafted
[Bulwark of the Primordial Mound] - Unknown
[Shield of the Iron Maiden] - Unknown
[Catapult Loading Scoop] - Quest: Fixer Upper
[Hardened Obsidian Shield] - Crafted

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[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55069][color=purple][Elementium Earthguard][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/76454]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56096][color=blue][Bulwark of the Primordial Mound][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55778][color=blue][Shield of the Iron Maiden][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61460][color=green][Catapult Loading Scoop][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/26564]Quest: Fixer Upper[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55041][color=green][Hardened Obsidian Shield][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/76291]Crafted[/url]


Wowhead -

[Elementium Earthguard] - Crafted
[Bulwark of the Primordial Mound] - Unknown
[Shield of the Iron Maiden] - Unknown
[Catapult Loading Scoop] - Quest: Fixer Upper
[Hardened Obsidian Shield] - Crafted

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[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55069][color=purple][Elementium Earthguard][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76454]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56096][color=blue][Bulwark of the Primordial Mound][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55778][color=blue][Shield of the Iron Maiden][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61460][color=green][Catapult Loading Scoop][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/quest=26564]Quest: Fixer Upper[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55041][color=green][Hardened Obsidian Shield][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/spell=76291]Crafted[/url]
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby lythac » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:07 am

Some Necks.

MMO-Champion -

[Design Elementium Guardian] - Crafted
[Mouth of the Earth] - Unknown
[Darkhowl Amulet] - Unknown
[Soulbind Choker] - Testing the Trap
[Carrier Wave Pendant] - Unknown, probably Throne of the Tides

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[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52323][color=purple][Design Elementium Guardian][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/52467]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/56095][color=blue][Mouth of the Earth][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55888][color=blue][Darkhowl Amulet][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/61475][color=green][Soulbind Choker][/color][/url] - [url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/26771]Testing the Trap[/url]
[url=http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/55781][color=blue][Carrier Wave Pendant][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown, probably Throne of the Tides[/b]


Wowhead -

[Design Elementium Guardian] - Crafted
[Mouth of the Earth] - Unknown
[Darkhowl Amulet] - Unknown
[Soulbind Choker] - Testing the Trap
[Carrier Wave Pendant] - Unknown, probably Throne of the Tides

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[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=52323][color=purple][Design Elementium Guardian][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=52467]Crafted[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=56095][color=blue][Mouth of the Earth][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55888][color=blue][Darkhowl Amulet][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown[/b]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=61475][color=green][Soulbind Choker][/color][/url] - [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/quest=26771]Testing the Trap[/url]
[url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=55781][color=blue][Carrier Wave Pendant][/color][/url] - [b]Unknown, probably Throne of the Tides[/b]


[Mouth of the Earth] is a valid inclusion at this point as it has the same sta as [Darkhowl Amulet], 96% of its avoidance with Kings(level 80 values haven't checked 85) has more exp and hit at the expense of str. It is superior to [Soulbind Choker] and [Carrier Wave Pendant]. Its source may mean it should be removed (e.g. quest reward alongside the true tanking neck). You should still probably pass it to MS melee DPS and only take it if no one else needs it.

Just realised that you should be able to reforge 40 exp (or hit) to 40 dodge/parry/mastery on [Mouth of the Earth] but only 30 exp to parry/mastery on [Darkhowl Amulet]. This has the possibility of placing the DPS neck with higher avoidance, making it the survivability choice and the tanking neck the threat choice. I thought Cataclysm was meant to make gear choices transparent and easier...
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby theckhd » Fri Sep 10, 2010 7:50 am

lythac wrote:Just realised that you should be able to reforge 40 exp (or hit) to 40 dodge/parry/mastery on [Mouth of the Earth] but only 30 exp to parry/mastery on [Darkhowl Amulet]. This has the possibility of placing the DPS neck with higher avoidance, making it the survivability choice and the tanking neck the threat choice. I thought Cataclysm was meant to make gear choices transparent and easier...


Wait, what? The reforged neck with 100 hit, 60 expertise, and 40 dodge (or parry) would be the "survivability" choice when compared to the neck with 149 dodge, 46 expertise, and 30 parry?

<edit> Ah, I see, Agility vs. STR. Do we know if the Agi->Dodge conversion is going to remain favorable though? I was expecting them to nerf that pretty heavily for tanks across the board to avoid a similar situation from happening with rings and weapons.
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Loras » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:55 am

I think I've probably missed it.

What's with all the "spell hit"? :shock: *insert a terrified look*
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby PsiVen » Fri Sep 10, 2010 5:42 pm

Wowhead links are preferable I should think, as MMOC ones will be useless as soon as things are actually posted on wowhead. It shouldn't be hard to batch-replace them with wowhead links as they appear though.

Greens are definitely worthwhile, as they appear no different from blues (ilvl trumps color).

Mouth of the Earth - Halls of Origination, don't remember boss.
Carrier Wave Pendant - Throne of the Tides, don't remember boss.
Bulwark of the Primordial Mound - Presumably from Earthrager Ptah, Halls of Origination (though I haven't gotten it to drop yet)
Shield of the Iron Maiden - Rom'ogg Bonecrusher, Blackrock Caverns
Shroud of Dark Memories - Grim Batol, trash drop

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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Marsha » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:35 am

Exalted Trinkets available from the Tol Barrad Quartermaster. :lol: and yea the 1425 Str has to be a bug.

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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Sabindeus » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:43 am

Marsha wrote:Exalted Trinkets available from the Tol Barrad Quartermaster. :lol: and yea the 1425 Str has to be a bug.


Why is it a bug? There's some blue quest reward from Vashj'ir that has a 840 Str clicky...
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Loras » Sat Sep 11, 2010 11:55 am

I think the 146 dodge clicky is the bug, not the 1400 str :)
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Sabindeus » Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:27 pm

Loras wrote:I think the 146 dodge clicky is the bug, not the 1400 str :)

yeah agreed
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Re: The Maintankadin Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Marsha » Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:57 pm

I doubt we'd get on use ability of 1425 strength for 20 seconds every 2 minutes, possibly 425, but the itemization on those trinkets look like place holders to me. Remember tooltips are often wrong on beta and before they added the rep requirement, I used both trinkets and wasn't getting either on use effect to actually do anything.
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