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New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby pyrrhician » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:56 pm

Holy

* Healing Hands is now named Holy Radiance.
* Denounce is now a Tier 3 talent, down from Tier 5.
* Illumination is now a Tier 5 talent, up from Tier 3. Now 2 Ranks instead of 3 Ranks. you gain mana equal to 15/30% of the base cost of the spell. (Up from 10/20/30%)


Retribution

* Inquisition is no longer exclusive with Holy Shield.
* Divine Purpose now has a 40% chance to generate Holy Power, up from 20%.
* Long Arm of the Law now increases movement speed by 45%, up from 30%.
* Eternal Glory now has a 20% chance not to consume Holy Power, down from 40%.


No prot changes listed =(
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Huon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:57 pm

Ugh, here I was hoping for them to make protection actually fun after the massacre of last build :roll:

HoPo use for protection needs a total overhaul.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby pyrrhician » Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:58 pm

I mean, Inquisition isnt exclusive with holy shield is technically prot news, but...

Maybe this means they are making lots of internal changes and going to put out the best soon?
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby steadypal » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:00 pm

OMG, pallies only ones with no interupt, and only ones with no gap closer... long arm of the law, 45% movespeed,,, this is prot paladins dream come true, wtf does it have to be tier 3 in ret for,,, /wrists. i would LOVE to have that in my prot arsenal, and i doubt mmo is done adding stuff in, seems odd..
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby pyrrhician » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:06 pm

The interrupt will probably be put in once our talent tree stabilizes, same for the damage reduction. I don't think we really need a movement speed buff beyond pursuit of justice, though I agree that it would be fun, mostly in pvp. I'm just hoping they come up with a way for holy power to really work for us. I'm kinda hoping they don't make our silly holy power instaheal the secondary way we use it though. Healing by waving my hand around is great: for healers. I'm a tank. If I heal myself, please let it be through doing damage, like jol, deathstrike, etc.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Flex » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:25 pm

steadypal wrote:long arm of the law, 45% movespeed,,, this is prot paladins dream come true


Not for me. Also I am unsure of the DK gap closer.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Huon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:30 pm

pyrrhician wrote:I mean, Inquisition isnt exclusive with holy shield is technically prot news, but...


Not really, Since last build, both Inq and Shield of the Righteous also cast HS, so either way it was cast, they just changed the tooltip to reflect that it seems.

Also, I don't see why you all are asking for interrupts and gap closers. We've always done fine without them.

I find it quite hilarious that people are complaining about classes becoming too identical, yet at the same time they all cry to have the exact same thing as the other :roll:

ah well, such is life I suppose !

EDIT: to make it sound less negative :lol:
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby pyrrhician » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:38 pm

Huon: There needs to be some level of common ground in mmos. We don't need all the same abilities, but there needs to be some common elements(a means to make monsters attack you, a means to live through attacks(such as preventing some of them through avoidance or outright preventing them through interrupts), and if you cant agree to that, perhaps mmos aren't for you.

I want an interrupt because sometimes my dps just fail. I like being able to keep that from wiping the raid/group.

Gap closer, we don't need something beyond pursuit of justice in my mind.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby NadaSvada » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:45 pm

I guess we shouldn't expect any more changes.

No further major class changes are planned for the beta. From here out it will be primarily tuning.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby steadypal » Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:52 pm

didnt realize holy has something to make exo instant to? that would be kind of nice, maybe grand crusader can proc exo instead of AS, would seem more of a fit than having our pulling tool in our tanking rotation..
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Huon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:19 pm

pyrrhician wrote:Huon: There needs to be some level of common ground in mmos. We don't need all the same abilities, but there needs to be some common elements(a means to make monsters attack you, a means to live through attacks(such as preventing some of them through avoidance or outright preventing them through interrupts), and if you cant agree to that, perhaps mmos aren't for you.

I want an interrupt because sometimes my dps just fail. I like being able to keep that from wiping the raid/group.

Gap closer, we don't need something beyond pursuit of justice in my mind.


lol, BC had classes actually distinct and it was the best Era of this game, I have never met anyone that said otherwise :lol:

I guess I liked it when I could rely on my team, instead of doing everything myself. I feel a bit sad by the fact that an argument to get an interrupt is because a lot of players in wow now totally SUCK and can't do jack shit worth of anything but AoE.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you for that argument, but you have to admit that its a HELL of a sad argument. I guess I just really miss when people needed to play well instead of relying on 1 member to do all the work.

Its blizzard fault for making Wotlk a carebear expac, but so far in Cata, it seems challenging enough to force people to better themselves.
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Minarva » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:43 pm

I think the main argument most have with having an interrupt is that all other 3 tanks have a way of interrupting, and now even further with HoJ not interrupting we can't even interrupt ON the GCD.

As a note, MMO missed a few changes that don't really matter but still. Our ShoR no longer costs mana and neither does IQ. IQ used to cost 20% of base mana, so this will help us with AoE rotations (as it was extremely mana intensive at least so far without the consecration talent).
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby pyrrhician » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:07 pm

Both of those changes seem....so minimal. I really hope there are other changes that have been missed...
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Rasmfrackn » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:42 pm

Huon wrote:lol, BC had classes actually distinct and it was the best Era of this game, I have never met anyone that said otherwise :lol:
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I guess the internet doesn't count as meeting, but I'll say it. The game has gotten better in every expansion, as they actually make it fair, and don't design anyone into a bit part on purpose. --Healers are finally getting their makeover to give all 4 the tools they need, more or less. (And as they legitimize smaller and smaller groups.)

Flex wrote:
steadypal wrote:long arm of the law, 45% movespeed,,, this is prot paladins dream come true


Not for me. Also I am unsure of the DK gap closer.

I'm pretty sure it's called Death Grip. :)
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Re: New Beta Build Build 12803 8/20/2010

Postby Huon » Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:44 pm

I feel like this may just be a quick build, for major bug fixes and they just took the opportunity to change the range on most spells.

I am just hoping Floating combat text works again though, it was surprisingly annoying not to see my damage :P
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