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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Noradin » Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:33 am

Shoju wrote:I would prefer that they made Lor'themar the Quel'Belore

I don't think they would choose to name their king "high sun". They have a female sun goddess. That would be kind of conflicting.
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Amanor » Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:40 am

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Shoju wrote:I would prefer that they made Lor'themar the Quel'Belore

I don't think they would choose to name their king "high sun". They have a female sun goddess. That would be kind of conflicting.


Wat. When have they ever referred to the Sun in the feminine form or as a feminine diety?
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Passionario » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:17 am

"Warchief Lor'themar" has a nice ring to it.
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Noradin » Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:02 am

Amanor wrote:
Noradin wrote:
Shoju wrote:I would prefer that they made Lor'themar the Quel'Belore

I don't think they would choose to name their king "high sun". They have a female sun goddess. That would be kind of conflicting.


Wat. When have they ever referred to the Sun in the feminine form or as a feminine diety?


Ever been in silvermoon? Her statue is everywhere.
They don't say it outright, but the placing implicates it.
About the reference - their language doesn't seem to have any pronouns changing with gender its all in the noun itself and "belore" doesn't give a clue.

(While the tauren call the sun An'she - the male counterpart of Mu'sha/Elune - that doesn't mean that the blood elves think of the sun as male or even that it is a male deity.)
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Arcand » Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:25 pm

The "moon is female" thing comes from the coincidence that it has a four week cycle
like many human girls do - do Tauren have ox-like breeding habits? If so they might be
more likely to see the annual cycle and say "sun = female".
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Amanor » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:30 pm

Noradin wrote:
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Noradin wrote:I don't think they would choose to name their king "high sun". They have a female sun goddess. That would be kind of conflicting.


Wat. When have they ever referred to the Sun in the feminine form or as a feminine diety?


Ever been in silvermoon? Her statue is everywhere.
They don't say it outright, but the placing implicates it.
About the reference - their language doesn't seem to have any pronouns changing with gender its all in the noun itself and "belore" doesn't give a clue.

(While the tauren call the sun An'she - the male counterpart of Mu'sha/Elune - that doesn't mean that the blood elves think of the sun as male or even that it is a male deity.)


I'd say it's a pretty big leap to assume that a nameless elven statue is the Diety represented solely by the elves as the Sun. There's quite the variety in aesthetics available when it comes to female elven statues in blood elven areas.

Thalassian isn't exactly a Tolkien language...they seem to shunt phrases and words in it as they go, so I wouldn't worry about language structure. Heck, does any language beside common have any pronouns to it?

It's far more likely, given that the Tauren and Kaldorei came across the same conclusion as to the identity of the moon, that the identity of the sun carries over as well.
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Chunes » Mon Aug 23, 2010 11:10 am

Passionario wrote:"Warchief Lor'themar" has a nice ring to it.


I'm personally voting for Vol'jin to man up and do the warchief thing. Sylvanas being forsaken and all has little need to be the leader, belf warchief would be pretty odd due to the culture clash between traditional horde culture and belf culture and as we all know, Cairne who would have made another passive and peaceful warchief ala thrall is getting sent to the butcher block.

Vol'jin remains the only valid candidate in my opinion because he's sage-like enough to handle the logistics of being warchief, yet still "feral" enough to be that strong, gritty leader that I think the horde would rally to.

Garrosh is a d-bag, jus' sayin'.
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby sahiel » Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:48 pm

Chunes wrote:
Passionario wrote:"Warchief Lor'themar" has a nice ring to it.


I'm personally voting for Vol'jin to man up and do the warchief thing. Sylvanas being forsaken and all has little need to be the leader, belf warchief would be pretty odd due to the culture clash between traditional horde culture and belf culture and as we all know, Cairne who would have made another passive and peaceful warchief ala thrall is getting sent to the butcher block.

Vol'jin remains the only valid candidate in my opinion because he's sage-like enough to handle the logistics of being warchief, yet still "feral" enough to be that strong, gritty leader that I think the horde would rally to.

Garrosh is a d-bag, jus' sayin'.

Plus, I bet Warchief Vol'jin would throw some wicked parties :D
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Zonzede » Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:32 pm

sahiel wrote:
Chunes wrote:
Passionario wrote:"Warchief Lor'themar" has a nice ring to it.


I'm personally voting for Vol'jin to man up and do the warchief thing. Sylvanas being forsaken and all has little need to be the leader, belf warchief would be pretty odd due to the culture clash between traditional horde culture and belf culture and as we all know, Cairne who would have made another passive and peaceful warchief ala thrall is getting sent to the butcher block.

Vol'jin remains the only valid candidate in my opinion because he's sage-like enough to handle the logistics of being warchief, yet still "feral" enough to be that strong, gritty leader that I think the horde would rally to.

Garrosh is a d-bag, jus' sayin'.

Plus, I bet Warchief Vol'jin would throw some wicked parties :D



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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Khayne » Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:02 pm

Arcand wrote:Because no human has ever been arrogant enough to call himself The Sun King. Or the Sun Emperor. :)


Meh, Sun is so yesterday and links to previous bad administration, i'd propose a nice, less sun focused: God-Emperor...

Also, Vol'jin for the win, the guy really needs more action (as do the troll and belf leadership in general).
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby Arjuna » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:01 am

Khayne wrote:
Arcand wrote:Because no human has ever been arrogant enough to call himself The Sun King. Or the Sun Emperor. :)


Meh, Sun is so yesterday and links to previous bad administration, i'd propose a nice, less sun focused: God-Emperor...

Also, Vol'jin for the win, the guy really needs more action (as do the troll and belf leadership in general).

that title will be taken in, oh about 30k years...maybe... :)
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Re: That Traitorous Bastard (Lore Spoiler)

Postby sahiel » Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:10 am

The Dark Eld... I mean Blood elves, eagerly await that time i'm sure ;)
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