31 Point Talent Calc Updated 7/20/2010

[Ludiaro]

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2 point talent for CS to have its CD reduced by 4 seconds, 1 handed weapon only, causes 25% additional weapon damage as holy damage

SOR have no CD and SoR will do damage/effect based on the amount of HP (cant be use with 0 HP)
1 HP X amount of holy damage and 1% damage reduction for 3 seconds
2 HP 50% more the normal and 2% damage reduction for 4 seconds damage of 1HP
3 HP you hit the opponent for twice as much as 1HP and gain 3% damage reduction for 5 seconds.

HoR 8 sec CD requires HP to use (again 0 HP= cant use)
100% weapon damage 8 sec cooldown.
1 HP 60% additional weapon damage
2 HP hit 2 additional targets
3 HP Reduce the cooldown by 50%.

Really like the idea of ShoR scaling with HP. They could make use of GbtL and make those 3% reduction a talent for ShoR. Also like the CS talent that would go on Grand Crusader, about time we get a devaste, and therefore more sue of HP on other abilities like ShoR instead of just Holy Shield.

HoR scaling with HP i'm not that sure i like it. The idea of wanting HoR or ShoR in a determined situation would be AoE vs. Single target, but HoR should be also useful in single target. This would work better if both had Cd's so that you would be weaving between the 2 of these abilities along with judgement and Holy Wrath.
That would, without a doubt, make things a lot more interesting for me while tanking.

Divine plea 25% mana regeneration and 5 HP over the next 15 seconds one minute cooldown.

Avengers Shield
1 HP Interrupts for 2 seconds instead of silences
2 HP Reduce its cooldown to 8 seconds
3 HP Hits not additional targets but twice as much damage

I'm fairly sure none of these would get implemented but something like this at least creates a interactive tanking style that is different from warrior/bear/dk.

Divine Plea seems unnecessary. Spammable CS would be enough to generate HP, but if they add another HP generator would prefer it would be based on Block attacks, like someone already suggested, so that it would free up some GC's.

Avenger's shield just seems a cheesed way to have the glyph without really having it. Can't see it very useful.

~Conclusion: YAY on those ideas for ShoR/HoR+CS/Block HP generator, that's what i would like to see in the future beta builds.

PS: Warriors "stole" Holy shield damaging effect and still get it passive while we work for it. Just in response to those posts.

[Flex]

PS: Warriors "stole" Holy shield damaging effect and still get it passive while we work for it. Just in response to those posts.

When did they remove Retribution Aura?

Also...Crusader Strike is more iconic to Paladins than Shield of Righteousness ever was.

[Rojhaz]

PS: Warriors "stole" Holy shield damaging effect and still get it passive while we work for it. Just in response to those posts.

When did they remove Retribution Aura?

When WotLK came out - Damage Shield.

[Flex]

PS: Warriors "stole" Holy shield damaging effect and still get it passive while we work for it. Just in response to those posts.

When did they remove Retribution Aura?

When WotLK came out - Damage Shield.

o'rly

[Chunes]

o'rly

orly's Irish cousin?

[Ludiaro]

PS: Warriors "stole" Holy shield damaging effect and still get it passive while we work for it. Just in response to those posts.

When did they remove Retribution Aura?

Also...Crusader Strike is more iconic to Paladins than Shield of Righteousness ever was.

Has nothing to do with Retri aura. It's DAMAGE ON BLOCKING that i'm talking about, anyway.
As much it can be paladin iconic, Shield slamming abilities are iconic to shield tanks, and paladin tanks have grown very emotional towards ShoR. They could simply add some HoPo dump effect to it, and that would make us different from warriors. That's the issue, not that CS»ShoR.

[Flex]

Has nothing to do with Retri aura. It's DAMAGE ON BLOCKING that i'm talking about, anyway

But Damage Shield it is more than damage on block it is also from damage taken...almost exactly like Retribution Aura and on top of that we deal damage with Holy Shield. So, unlike what you said, we do not have to put any effort into reflecting damage back.

[Amirya]

i would, no joke, choke a bitch if they took my Shield Slam away

We have temporarily disabled Shield of Righteousness.

Bitches better prepare to get choked it seems.

I'm not worried about Sab, I'd choke him right back.

Oh wait...

[Sabindeus]

>:|

[Chunes]

>:|

ಠ_ಠ

[Amirya]

>:|

Oh, I have much love for you, is why I tend to try and keep thread derailments to a minimum.

I might not always succeed, but at least I try!

[Dantriges]

So now we have AD with is 20% reduction, 3 minute cd and the GS effect or whatever it does.
Barksin eh sorry Divine Protection 1 minute cd 10 seconds
Guardian of ancient kings as our big cd?

Holy shield as a block chance enhancer?

Loh hoho
hm the holy power heal

[Sabindeus]

>:|

Oh, I have much love for you, is why I tend to try and keep thread derailments to a minimum.

I might not always succeed, but at least I try! :mrgreen:

>:/

[Nikachelle]

>:|

Oh, I have much love for you, is why I tend to try and keep thread derailments to a minimum.

I might not always succeed, but at least I try!

>:/

Can youuuuuuuuu feel the loooooooooooove tonight!

[Klaudandus]

Can youuuuuuuuu feel the loooooooooooove tonight!

Get it out of my head! >=O