[10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

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[10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby sabedoriaclark » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:43 am

My guild is working on Sindragosa right now. We are better at brute forcing things than finesse as a general rule, and it is our instinct that it ought to be possible to solo-tank her and burn her down fast enough to avoid some of the ice-block dancing stuff in the third phase, especially with the 10% buff now active.

As the pally MT what should I know to attempt this? I know some of you out there have done it. What makes it feasible? You can check my armory in my sig.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Nikachelle » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:53 am

I pulled these numbers from wowwiki.com. Forgive me if they're wrong.

How exactly do you expect to burn her quickly enough before Mystic Buffet becomes unhealable? Your dps would have to be absolutely insane. You'll end up more than 300% magic damage increase towards the end (@ 30 stacks). Particularly when she frost breathes I'd think it would be near unhealable since, by itself, the breath deals 37-43k damage. At 200-300% magic damage increase, you're looking at a blow from 74k to 129k. EVEN if you had bubble wall up, at a 300% damage increase from the frost breath at 30 stacks, you're looking at a 64.5k hit. And there's no way you have that much buffed health.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Belloc » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:14 am

Solo-tanking is viable (I've done it on every one of our 10-man normal mode kills), but it's not as simple as brute forcing the fight. Your raid still has to drop Mystic Buffet regularly.

You, as the tank, should be wearing 2-3 piece of Frost Resist gear (your threat will be affected, get MD/Tricks). You will need to rotate cooldown usage -- Hand of Salvation, Divine Protection, Divine Sacrifice (fully talented) and, since you probably don't have the 25-man trinket, you should probably pick up Aura Mastery as well.

Even with all of that, there's a chance that you could get gibbed in the end. If your DPS is really good, blow heroism at 15% (hopefully not before the grip) and make ice blocks run out of the raid. If your dps isn't really good, wait until 10%.


Finally, everyone else still needs to dance. Your raiders need to be dropping their stacks at least every other ice block. It helps to have raiders doing this on an individual basis and not all at once.


Good luck.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby lythac » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:54 am

Breath is 27750-32250
We have 18% magic reduction(?) through talents etc so it hits for 22600-26400
Wear FrR that takes you to a minimum 40% resist (510), hits for 13500-15800 (worst case roughly 25% chance of it happening)

My CD order is AD, DS, GS. I personally use AD first as the Frost Breath can miss or have a larger resist and not be fatal. Last time I did Sind10 (5% buff) AD didn't fire off and we killed her on around 33 stacks.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby sabedoriaclark » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:17 pm

Thank you for the advice! I knew it was possible. I have the frost resist gear, so maybe we'll give this a shot this week. Will allow us to bring one more DPS which might make the difference for us.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby maurok » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:11 am

is it doable at 10H ?

i solo tanked on normal, and we are going to do our first heroic tries tommorow. any good advice on this matter?

thanks :D
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Belloc » Sat Apr 03, 2010 1:50 am

maurok wrote:is it doable at 10H ?

i solo tanked on normal, and we are going to do our first heroic tries tommorow. any good advice on this matter?

thanks :D

nope.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Araiken » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:24 am

Also its possible to have a hybrid tank the boss after a frost breath goes out for like 10 seconds while you clear your stacks. So like if you had a feral druid he could spec into the crit immunity talent and go bear form with like barkskin up then go back to hella cat deeps.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Belloc » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:44 pm

Araiken wrote:Also its possible to have a hybrid tank the boss after a frost breath goes out for like 10 seconds while you clear your stacks. So like if you had a feral druid he could spec into the crit immunity talent and go bear form with like barkskin up then go back to hella cat deeps.

This works great on normal mode, for sure. It's a last resort, however, for heroic mode.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby maurok » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:27 am

We went with Belloc's Opinion and 2 shotted her last night... I was looking at the logs later and saw that if we didn't switch tanks, I'd have 31 stacks at the end of the fight... I think that even if I had a "semi-tank" to taunt it once for me to refresh the stacks, 15~16 is still a lot of stacks to deal with, even with 510+ frost resist (40% minimum resist)...
so unless your dps can kill her 50~60% faster then my dpsers did, 2 tanks is the way to go.

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Just to add something here... are you guys experiencing some REALLY high absorbs from sacred shield on this fight?
we had 2 resto drood and 1 resto shammy, so there was no other source of absorption except sacred shield on our team.... I forgot to use it on myself (yeah... shame on me), but my co-tank remembered... and look at some of these absorbs:
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[03:14:07.321] Sindragosa Blistering Cold Tukz 3117 (A: 42608, R: 13500)
[03:27:19.908] Sindragosa Frost Breath  Tukz Absorb (42798)
[03:29:38.103] Sindragosa Frost Breath  Tukz 5922 (A: 37117, R: 16172)


I never noticed SS absorbing that much... if you guys wanna check, HERE IS THE LINK to the logs, this is the query I used to compare the damage me and my co-tank (Tukz) took from the breaths, considering we had some different gearing...

anyway, you can see that Tukz did lots of absorbs (some of them really impressive), and I didn't get any.

any thoughts?
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Meyrinn » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:36 am

maurok wrote:We went with Belloc's Opinion and 2 shotted her last night... I was looking at the logs later and saw that if we didn't switch tanks, I'd have 31 stacks at the end of the fight... I think that even if I had a "semi-tank" to taunt it once for me to refresh the stacks, 15~16 is still a lot of stacks to deal with, even with 510+ frost resist (40% minimum resist)...
so unless your dps can kill her 50~60% faster then my dpsers did, 2 tanks is the way to go.

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Just to add something here... are you guys experiencing some REALLY high absorbs from sacred shield on this fight?
we had 2 resto drood and 1 resto shammy, so there was no other source of absorption except sacred shield on our team.... I forgot to use it on myself (yeah... shame on me), but my co-tank remembered... and look at some of these absorbs:
Code: Select all
[03:14:07.321] Sindragosa Blistering Cold Tukz 3117 (A: 42608, R: 13500)
[03:27:19.908] Sindragosa Frost Breath Tukz Absorb (42798)
[03:29:38.103] Sindragosa Frost Breath Tukz 5922 (A: 37117, R: 16172)


I never noticed SS absorbing that much... if you guys wanna check, HERE IS THE LINK to the logs, this is the query I used to compare the damage me and my co-tank (Tukz) took from the breaths, considering we had some different gearing...

anyway, you can see that Tukz did lots of absorbs (some of them really impressive), and I didn't get any.

any thoughts?


Add a query for Spell = Ardent Defender. His Ardent Defender most likely procced on those hits. The Lifesaver portion of AD shows up as an absorb of the damage that would have put you past 1 HP.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby maurok » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:20 pm

but what about the full absorb of 42798, shouldn't it be a partial?
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Belloc » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:03 pm

Those 3 examples are all Ardent Defender, as per your WoL parse.
[03:14:07.720] Tukz afflicted by Ardent Defender from Tukz
[03:27:19.908] Tukz Ardent Defender Tukz +9257
[03:27:19.908] Tukz afflicted by Ardent Defender from Tukz
[03:29:38.457] Tukz afflicted by Ardent Defender from Tukz
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Chicken » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:21 pm

Also, and I could be wrong on this, but the exact behavior when Ardent Defender proc depends on your health at the time of the killing blow.

If it was over 30% you won't see a heal listed, but the part of the damage that isn't absorbed would bring you to exactly 30% health. So say you're at 20000 health out of 50000, boss ability hits you for 35000, you'll see a 5000 damage taken (30000 absorbed) as it'll bring you to 15000 health. If you're under 30% health however, you'll get a full absorb and enough healing to bring you to 30%. So if you're at 10000 health out of 50000, and the same boss ability hits you for 35000, you'll get a (35000 absorbed) and 5000 healing from Ardent Defender.

That also all matches up with the behavior seen here.
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Re: [10] Sindragosa Solo Tanking

Postby Ragingsoul » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:39 pm

I don't know why you want to make an easy fight harder honestly.
yes, it's possible to solo tank, but you're stressing out your healers for no reason.
It's not a dps race, it's not a zerg phase, it's a controlling, surviving phase.

having doing in on hard mode, I will say 1 thing : old habits die hard :)
Take the time to do it correctly, and it will be a piece of cake on hard mode.

The same would apply on 25men btw, where the gear increase and the buff made our dps killing themselves (melees mostly) since everyone wants to still keeps dpsing the boss.

For hard mode (10men), I took the belt, boots and ring with FR on, making it 370 Frost resist with aura, and it went fine switching as soon as you can, so around 4 to 5 stacks of mystic buffet.
While tanking new content, one rule is important -- it's not about taking less damage; it's about being able to take more.
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