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[25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Maat » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:59 pm

We had around 5 seconds to spare on berserk using 6 healers, with no one (for once) standing around in flames or buddying up with their neighbors.

We tried to just have 7 people die when their timers were up on previous attempts, but found that residual dots/hots made suicide actually quite difficult for some people.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Joanadark » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:33 pm

nutron wrote:Then you did not observe correctly, because it does not pick the first target randomly.


If nutron says this is the case, then I believe it.
He doesn't post frequently but my experience is that when the main tank of vigil does post it's generally something to be paid attention to.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Rhiannon » Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:42 pm

So far from our 3 pulls on 10 man and 3 pulls on 25 it's gone hunter, arcane mage, hunter, hunter, hunter, hunter. Looking at kill videos, it's been a lot of hunters. Looking at WoL for the first 15 seconds of each attempt, whoever has dealt the most damage has been bitten first. Obviously a sample size of 6 is of little value, given that people are reporting contrary (off-tanks, pets?) - anyone got logs of these events?
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Rojhaz » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:30 pm

Just cleared the trash to her with about 50% attempts remaining from last night and... she's not there even though it says we have eight attempts left. Yay. Anyone else have this?
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Kishandra » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:47 pm

Rojhaz wrote:Just cleared the trash to her with about 50% attempts remaining from last night and... she's not there even though it says we have eight attempts left. Yay. Anyone else have this?


You "wipe" once every time one of the kinetic bombs from the Blood Prince Council bounces up to the ceiling and aggros her.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Maat » Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:48 pm

Rhiannon wrote:So far from our 3 pulls on 10 man and 3 pulls on 25 it's gone hunter, arcane mage, hunter, hunter, hunter, hunter. Looking at kill videos, it's been a lot of hunters. Looking at WoL for the first 15 seconds of each attempt, whoever has dealt the most damage has been bitten first. Obviously a sample size of 6 is of little value, given that people are reporting contrary (off-tanks, pets?) - anyone got logs of these events?


It doesn't seem to be the case in our kill. The first bite went out at 19:46:02.424; 3 players were above the damage dealt by the shadow priest who actually got bitten.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-1 ... 314&e=4328
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Kihra » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:09 pm

Maat wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:So far from our 3 pulls on 10 man and 3 pulls on 25 it's gone hunter, arcane mage, hunter, hunter, hunter, hunter. Looking at kill videos, it's been a lot of hunters. Looking at WoL for the first 15 seconds of each attempt, whoever has dealt the most damage has been bitten first. Obviously a sample size of 6 is of little value, given that people are reporting contrary (off-tanks, pets?) - anyone got logs of these events?


It doesn't seem to be the case in our kill. The first bite went out at 19:46:02.424; 3 players were above the damage dealt by the shadow priest who actually got bitten.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-1 ... 314&e=4328


Threat != damage. Presumably those with higher damage had less threat than your shadow priest at the time the bite went out. We only had time for a couple of attempts yesterday in 25, but I think she is biting the highest threat person (other than the tank and offtank).

If an offtank gets bitten, that's probably because of positioning mistakes, since I'm guessing she won't bite any target with Blood Mirror.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Treck » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:15 pm

We used 6 healers for 13unsuccesfull tries.
This by having the 2nd person bitten going dead before he has to bite someone else, since then we could plan for who to kill even before the fight started. Ending up choosing a mage, for 2 reasons, our mages did the least amount of dmg anyway (maybe smth wrong with them tho if other guilds are having mages on top dps there) anyway sacrifice the lowest dps, and secondly, mages died fast in fires ^^ compared to some that healers had to really try to not heal, and after soulstone mages (compared to meele especially) can still keep most part of their dps.
This still meant 4 wipes on about 3%, and some on 5-10% within about 3-4 tries, however with a person or 2 people MCed, had some miscomunication with who to bite esp ppl taking the same person, and spamming bite on that person untill they went MCed.
Then went back and forth between personal fuckups wiping us etc etc, after the last perfect 3% wipe with no deaths and 2 remaining tries, we swapped in a dps instead of a healer. It is pretty intense raidhealing so we wernt sure we could swap one out, but it was hardly noticable we had a healer less, and with one more dps she died 1sec after enrage, and we had one MCed the last 30-40sec or so. Done even know why we had 6 healers in the start, since we have had 5 on every other encounter.
We have had hunters almost every time getting first bite, with one exception on a rogue, and myself as the MT once, this only since retarded RF has to be rebuffed, and somehow i managed to keep aggro without it thanks to tricks/MDs, and the OT overaggroed a sec or so before the bite. I still didnt think the OT could get it but it seems so. Its definately threatbased, in one way or another, random among top 3? or just 2nd on threat, since you do 0 threat with the vampire buff would clever from blizz if it was the closest on aggro.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Steve » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:11 pm

My experience is that the first bite target is the second highest on threat, and that seemed to be the case on all 3 of our pulls thus far.

Edit: Also, we were having 60 second long debuffs on 25 instead of 50 seconds. So, you wouldn't get the option to bite another player until 60 seconds after you had been bitten. This was causing issues with the timing of incite terror, 15+60+60 being 2:15, which is precisely when incite terror is fired off.

Obviously it's possible to work around that, but I was wondering if anyone else had a similar experience. I was under the impression that the debuff was supposed to last 50+10 seconds of bite time on 25 man.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Maat » Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:25 pm

Kihra wrote:Threat != damage. Presumably those with higher damage had less threat than your shadow priest at the time the bite went out. We only had time for a couple of attempts yesterday in 25, but I think she is biting the highest threat person (other than the tank and offtank).

If an offtank gets bitten, that's probably because of positioning mistakes, since I'm guessing she won't bite any target with Blood Mirror.


Our first bunch of attempts it was almost consistantly our hunter getting the bite. Once we started misdirecting him the bite started going various places. In our kill attempt , the hunter was weeeelllllll over the shadow priest in threat when the bite went out.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Belloc » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:03 am

They hotfixed the buff duration from 50 seconds to 60 seconds. Now the buff coincides with the fear for additional difficulty. You do not, however, have to sacrifice any raid members.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Metherlance » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:13 am

Rojhaz wrote:Just cleared the trash to her with about 50% attempts remaining from last night and... she's not there even though it says we have eight attempts left. Yay. Anyone else have this?


It's a bug, which is fixed already.

"Blood-Queen not spawning
We're currently working on a hotfix for the issue where the Blood-Queen is not spawned if you killed the Council on a previous night."

Didn't get this down yesterday. We had great rdps on Festergut, best we've ever had. Same with couple of first pulls on BQL, but somehow after that rdps just sucked ***. Best try was 15% without martyring. We have 4 attempts waiting for sunday, didn't want to waste them since server began to lag.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Ubick » Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:38 am

Buffing BKL Essence from 50 seconds to 60 will just make the encounter trivial, not harder, since the 2nd air phase is at the 4 min mark and even if every vampire bites someone as fast as possible, it will only make the 4th wave of bites (16 vampires) to be at about 4:15-4:20, which is the perfect moment, since it's just as the air phase ends and the raid can burn out the boss with a full duration heroism on and with 16 vampire dps. There should also be no need for a 5th wave of bites anymore.

The only overlapping problem might be for the first fear, but you have to manage only 2 or 4 vampires at that time, which shouldn't be a problem if u either bite as fast as possible to get the 4 vampires before the fear, or you decide to wait 8-9 seconds in order to get the next wave just as the air phase ends.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Rhiannon » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:33 am

Checking timers from last night's 25 man attempts (EU realms) -

[21:17:24.925] Combat starts
[21:17:40.585] Blood-Queen Lana'thel Vampiric Bite Azirafel 5368
[21:18:30.547] Azirafel afflicted by Frenzied Bloodthirst from Azirafel
[21:19:43.175] Blood-Queen Lana'thel casts Incite Terror
[21:21:24.915] Blood-Queen Lana'thel casts Incite Terror
[21:22:12.982] Billynomates afflicted by Frenzied Bloodthirst from Billynomates
[21:22:23.081] Billynomates's Frenzied Bloodthirst fades
[21:22:23.573] Billynomates afflicted by Uncontrollable Frenzy from Blood-Queen Lana'thel

So that's a 15 second timer to first bite. 50 seconds of +100% dps time before Frenzied Bloodthirst hits. 10 seconds to bite someone before getting MCed. Fears at ~2:19, 4:00. That's from ~22:00 last night on an EU realm. If anyone from an EU realm raids before this evening, it'd be nice to know whether the hotfix is live.
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Re: [25] Blood Queen Lanathel.

Postby Metherlance » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:37 am

Rhiannon wrote:Checking timers from last night's 25 man attempts (EU realms) -

[21:17:24.925] Combat starts
[21:17:40.585] Blood-Queen Lana'thel Vampiric Bite Azirafel 5368
[21:18:30.547] Azirafel afflicted by Frenzied Bloodthirst from Azirafel
[21:19:43.175] Blood-Queen Lana'thel casts Incite Terror
[21:21:24.915] Blood-Queen Lana'thel casts Incite Terror
[21:22:12.982] Billynomates afflicted by Frenzied Bloodthirst from Billynomates
[21:22:23.081] Billynomates's Frenzied Bloodthirst fades
[21:22:23.573] Billynomates afflicted by Uncontrollable Frenzy from Blood-Queen Lana'thel

So that's a 15 second timer to first bite. 50 seconds of +100% dps time before Frenzied Bloodthirst hits. 10 seconds to bite someone before getting MCed. Fears at ~2:19, 4:00. That's from ~22:00 last night on an EU realm.


These are pretty irrelevant since the buff changed to 60sec (75sec on 10m) with the hotfix. Or what was your point? :)

EDIT: the other timers should be correct still though.
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