[25] Gunship Battle

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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Arjuna » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:17 pm

bah, damn...and I was looking forward to stacking a bit of avoidance for a change...stamina stacking is soooo booooring :(
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Kihra » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:24 am

Check this out (another combat log):

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22:37:49.351] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (6) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:37:50.370] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:37:51.850] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:37:51.850] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
[22:37:53.329] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:37:53.779] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (7) from High Overlord Saurfang


Complete avoidance and yet it stacked anyway. I also see logs where the gunship captain opens with a miss and then gains the first stack of the buff anyway.

This fight doesn't seem to be tied to avoidance at all. Wiingman and I each tanked an ICC on Sunday, and he stacked more avoidance while I stacked EH. It didn't seem to make any difference at all. The captain was at the same stack count after 3 mages were dead.

It is very confusing though, since there are streaks where the captain doesn't gain the Battle Fury buff (e.g., sometimes as long as six seconds). However he's even hitting the tank during those times, so I don't know why the buff occasionally stacks more slowly.

It does seem to be tied to his swings at least, but it doesn't look like avoidance matters at all. My current theory for the occasional slower stacking of the buff is that the captain can't stack it from a Cleave, and so if he gets cleave-happy (which he sometimes does), then the buff stacking slows down.
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby wingman » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:32 am

I posted this in a thread in the advanced training section on Icecrown Radiance, but thought I'd repost here. I'm rather confused as to what is stacking his buffs, but it doesn't seem to be hits, or the avoidance of them.

Anyway, here's further proof. Here's a log parse of me tanking Saurfang:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-5zbm9kpnjbje7b75/log/

His 1st, 9th, 10th, 12th, 22nd, and 32nd stacks of the buff all happened even though I avoided all of his attacks. So, something else is causing him to gain stacks of the buff. At first I thought it was a linear timed thing, but there are variances in that as well. It can take anywhere from 3-6 seconds for him to gain a stack, so I'm still quite confused as to what causes the stack gain.[/quote]
    [22:34:36.521] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:34:37.244] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:38.065] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 10098 (B: 3017)
    [22:34:39.536] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7029 (A: 3354, B: 3017)
    [22:34:40.077] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (2) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:41.079] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
    [22:34:42.581] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 9557 (B: 3017)
    [22:34:43.291] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (3) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:44.180] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13614 (B: 3017)
    [22:34:45.771] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 8317 (B: 3017)
    [22:34:46.461] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (4) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:47.395] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:34:47.395] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Miss
    [22:34:49.107] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7635 (A: 4816)
    [22:34:49.735] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (5) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:51.038] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13523 (B: 3017)
    [22:34:52.911] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
    [22:34:53.851] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (6) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:54.703] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:34:56.357] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:34:56.357] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
    [22:34:58.173] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 10118 (A: 6054)
    [22:34:58.949] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (7) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:34:59.964] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7632 (A: 4452, B: 3017)
    [22:35:01.755] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:02.129] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 17529 (B: 3017)
    [22:35:03.569] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 14726
    [22:35:04.221] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (8) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:05.387] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:35:07.168] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
    [22:35:07.341] High Overlord Saurfang Haunt Rimez +3005
    [22:35:07.768] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (9) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:09.062] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:09.062] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
    [22:35:10.735] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:35:11.342] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (10) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:12.569] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 20972
    [22:35:13.379] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (11) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:14.337] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
    [22:35:16.972] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (12) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:18.002] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
    [22:35:19.873] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:19.873] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
    [22:35:21.602] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 23834
    [22:35:22.172] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (13) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:23.492] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:23.872] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 24719 (A: 2116)
    [22:35:25.214] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 11029 (A: 6030, B: 3017)
    [22:35:25.794] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (14) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:27.142] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 14079 (B: 3017)
    [22:35:28.767] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 17027
    [22:35:29.452] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (15) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:30.311] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
    [22:35:31.957] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 17516 (B: 2432)
    [22:35:32.669] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (16) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:33.898] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 15812 (A: 4227)
    [22:35:34.631] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (17) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:35.917] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:36.253] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 20565 (A: 268, B: 2304)
    [22:35:38.067] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:38.390] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 26516 (A: 4764, B: 2304)
    [22:35:40.340] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:35:41.060] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (18) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:42.452] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:42.452] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
    [22:35:44.461] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 16409 (A: 11027, B: 2304)
    [22:35:45.062] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (19) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:46.815] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 20848 (A: 3894, B: 2304)
    [22:35:47.514] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (20) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:48.545] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 22453 (B: 2304)
    [22:35:50.374] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 23325 (B: 2304)
    [22:35:51.081] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (21) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:52.162] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:52.162] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
    [22:35:53.947] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
    [22:35:54.677] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (22) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:55.762] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 28409 (B: 2304)
    [22:35:57.548] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:35:57.548] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Miss
    [22:35:58.280] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (23) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:35:59.256] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:36:01.015] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24813 (A: 4572, B: 2304)
    [22:36:01.108] High Overlord Saurfang Haunt Rimez +0 (O: 2468)
    [22:36:01.540] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (24) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:02.828] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:03.116] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 30890 (B: 2304)
    [22:36:04.595] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
    [22:36:05.254] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (25) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:06.486] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:06.863] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 32181 (A: 4209, B: 2304)
    [22:36:08.219] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
    [22:36:08.785] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (26) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:09.876] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 21328 (B: 2304)
    [22:36:11.683] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:11.980] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 28261 (A: 3354, B: 2304)
    [22:36:13.479] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24805 (B: 2304)
    [22:36:13.961] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (27) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:15.269] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:15.269] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
    [22:36:17.097] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 27327 (B: 2304)
    [22:36:17.562] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (28) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:18.898] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13877 (A: 3354, B: 2304)
    [22:36:20.709] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13413
    [22:36:21.263] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (29) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:22.513] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:22.898] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 14727 (A: 2887, B: 2304)
    [22:36:24.272] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13102 (B: 2304)
    [22:36:24.845] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (30) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:26.114] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13042 (A: 6311, B: 2304)
    [22:36:27.765] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 9712 (A: 5434, B: 2304)
    [22:36:28.416] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (31) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:29.715] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
    [22:36:30.481] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (32) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:31.510] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
    [22:36:31.727] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 27253 (A: 3813, B: 2304)
    [22:36:33.399] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
    [22:36:34.074] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (33) from High Overlord Saurfang
    [22:36:35.133] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24045 (A: 6997, B: 2304)
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Kihra » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:48 am

I think I've figured it out. Here are (I believe) the rules:

(1) Battle Fury has an internal cooldown. If a melee swing happens within that internal cooldown period, he won't stack the buff.
(2) He stacks Battle Fury from melee swings. Avoidance is irrelevant.
(3) He cannot stack Battle Fury from Cleave. If he chooses to cleave, you're getting a reprieve from the stacking.
(4) He can stack Battle Fury from Rending Throw. This is subject to the ICD, which is why you don't see it happening on every Rending Throw.

For example, in your combat log I've bolded every line that I believe caused him to gain Battle Fury stacks.

[22:34:37.598] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:34:38.386] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:39.199] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 10098 (B: 3017)
[22:34:40.687] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7029 (A: 3354, B: 3017)
[22:34:41.268] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (2) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:42.212] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:34:43.784] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 9557 (B: 3017)
[22:34:44.482] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (3) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:45.277] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13614 (B: 3017)
[22:34:46.874] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 8317 (B: 3017)
[22:34:47.581] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (4) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:48.496] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:34:48.496] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Miss
[22:34:50.228] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7635 (A: 4816)
[22:34:50.831] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (5) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:52.156] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13523 (B: 3017)
[22:34:54.013] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:34:54.939] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (6) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:34:55.840] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:34:57.537] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:34:57.537] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
[22:34:59.341] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 10118 (A: 6054)
[22:35:00.073] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (7) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:01.150] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 7632 (A: 4452, B: 3017)
[22:35:02.987] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:03.247] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 17529 (B: 3017)
[22:35:04.775] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 14726
[22:35:05.335] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (8) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:06.521] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:35:08.394] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
[22:35:08.861] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (9) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:10.180] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:10.180] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
[22:35:11.847] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:35:12.440] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (10) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:13.677] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 20972
[22:35:14.512] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (11) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:15.463] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
[22:35:17.363] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13452 (A: 3354, B: 3017)
[22:35:18.118] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (12) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:19.199] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
[22:35:21.002] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:21.002] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
[22:35:22.788] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 23834
[22:35:23.317] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (13) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:24.554] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:24.938] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 24719 (A: 2116)
[22:35:26.381] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 11029 (A: 6030, B: 3017)
[22:35:26.928] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (14) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:28.249] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 14079 (B: 3017)
[22:35:29.895] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 17027
[22:35:30.592] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (15) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:31.425] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:35:33.227] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 17516 (B: 2432)
[22:35:33.716] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (16) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:35.058] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 15812 (A: 4227)
[22:35:35.741] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (17) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:37.020] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:37.360] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 20565 (A: 268, B: 2304)
[22:35:39.252] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:39.539] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 26516 (A: 4764, B: 2304)
[22:35:41.520] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:35:42.230] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (18) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:43.626] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:43.627] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
[22:35:45.585] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 16409 (A: 11027, B: 2304)
[22:35:46.146] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (19) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:47.944] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 20848 (A: 3894, B: 2304)
[22:35:48.617] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (20) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:49.664] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 22453 (B: 2304)
[22:35:51.482] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 23325 (B: 2304)
[22:35:52.182] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (21) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:53.271] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:53.271] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Parry
[22:35:55.069] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:35:55.778] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (22) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:35:56.873] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 28409 (B: 2304)
[22:35:58.744] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:35:58.744] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Miss
[22:35:59.408] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (23) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:00.392] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:36:02.183] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24813 (A: 4572, B: 2304)
[22:36:02.658] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (24) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:03.945] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:04.235] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 30890 (B: 2304)
[22:36:05.756] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
[22:36:06.391] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (25) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:07.687] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:07.956] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 32181 (A: 4209, B: 2304)
[22:36:09.377] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Parry
[22:36:09.894] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (26) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:10.987] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 21328 (B: 2304)
[22:36:12.841] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:13.104] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 28261 (A: 3354, B: 2304)
[22:36:14.613] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24805 (B: 2304)
[22:36:15.139] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (27) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:16.391] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:16.391] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman Dodge
[22:36:18.194] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 27327 (B: 2304)
[22:36:18.670] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (28) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:20.087] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13877 (A: 3354, B: 2304)
[22:36:21.832] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13413
[22:36:22.341] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (29) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:23.738] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:23.937] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 14727 (A: 2887, B: 2304)
[22:36:25.446] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13102 (B: 2304)
[22:36:25.996] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (30) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:27.281] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 13042 (A: 6311, B: 2304)
[22:36:28.903] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 9712 (A: 5434, B: 2304)
[22:36:29.500] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (31) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:30.918] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Dodge
[22:36:31.560] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (32) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:32.600] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:32.767] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 27253 (A: 3813, B: 2304)
[22:36:34.546] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman Miss
[22:36:35.191] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (33) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:36.252] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 24045 (A: 6997, B: 2304)
[22:36:38.071] High Overlord Saurfang casts Cleave on Wiingman
[22:36:38.435] High Overlord Saurfang Cleave Wiingman 27468 (A: 4579, B: 2304)
[22:36:39.869] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 36164 (A: 1962, B: 2304)
[22:36:40.373] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (34) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:41.701] High Overlord Saurfang hits Wiingman 21631 (A: 4692, B: 2304)
[22:36:45.120] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Wiingman
[22:36:45.121] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (35) from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:45.849] Wiingman afflicted by Rending Throw from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:45.850] High Overlord Saurfang Rending Throw Wiingman 2459
[22:36:45.851] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Cauthon
[22:36:45.851] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Trends
[22:36:45.852] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Calypsö
[22:36:46.311] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Valpolicella
[22:36:46.522] High Overlord Saurfang Rending Throw Calypsö 3571
[22:36:46.522] Calypsö afflicted by Rending Throw from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:46.656] Cauthon afflicted by Rending Throw from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:46.657] High Overlord Saurfang Rending Throw Cauthon 3125
[22:36:46.822] Trends afflicted by Rending Throw from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:46.822] High Overlord Saurfang Rending Throw Trends 3653
[22:36:47.013] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Valpolicella
[22:36:47.297] Valpolicella afflicted by Rending Throw from High Overlord Saurfang
[22:36:47.297] High Overlord Saurfang Rending Throw Valpolicella 3575
[22:36:47.548] High Overlord Saurfang casts Rending Throw on Valpolicella
[22:36:47.549] High Overlord Saurfang gains Battle Fury (36) from High Overlord Saurfang

Stack 36 is especially interesting. Watching him Rending Throw people you can see the ICD in action. It's quite clear from the log that he's stacking the Battle Fury buff following melee swings and never from a Cleave. If a melee swing happens too close to a buff stack, then nothing happens.

TLDR: Avoidance is completely irrelevant for the gunship fight.
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby rathe » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:44 am

Great work guys! Too bad that means nothing can be done about it, but really on normal mode it doesn't matter. Still it's nice to know how it's stacking. I'm guessing hard mode will just have us jumping ship or something.

Also for the sake of unambiguity I like the term Gunship better than Saurfang as a hordie :wink:.
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Rhiannon » Fri Jan 01, 2010 9:14 pm

Hm, confused. Did this today with a pair of alts tanking on 10 man, did I'm on a boat and wiped a couple of times. I recall clearly when we looked at the death logs of the tanks in game, we were seeing hits in very fast succession which looked like Muradin (we're horde) was dual-wielding. But in the parse above of the alliance version, doesn't look like Saurfang dual wields. I don't have a WoL from today, I'll go have a look through some old ones.

Ok, digging through an old WoL:

[19:51:52.584] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl 6041 (A: 2964)
[19:51:52.774] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:53.227] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:51:54.152] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:54.531] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Parry
[19:51:55.094] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury (2) from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:51:55.886] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:56.295] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:57.525] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:57.910] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss (holy crap at this avoidance streak - dw miss penalty?)
[19:51:58.327] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury (3) from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:51:59.230] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:51:59.750] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Parry
[19:52:00.303] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury (4) from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:52:00.926] Muradin Bronzebeard casts Cleave on Stylezlòl
[19:52:00.926] Muradin Bronzebeard Cleave Stylezlòl Parry
[19:52:01.286] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl 4398 (A: 2964)
[19:52:02.736] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl 10489 (A: 2964)
[19:52:03.009] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl 7565
[19:52:03.174] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury (5) from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:52:04.494] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:52:04.753] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:52:05.606] Muradin Bronzebeard gains Battle Fury (6) from Muradin Bronzebeard
[19:52:06.196] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl Miss
[19:52:06.576] Muradin Bronzebeard hits Stylezlòl 8679
[19:52:07.781] Muradin Bronzebeard casts Cleave on Stylezlòl
[19:52:07.982] Muradin Bronzebeard Cleave Stylezlòl 19073

So yeah, looks like Muradin dual-wields, and also looks like he might well suffer dw miss penalty?
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Joanadark » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:04 am

for clarification, the internal cooldown on gaining a stack of battle fury is 3 seconds?
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Kihra » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:34 pm

Joanadark wrote:for clarification, the internal cooldown on gaining a stack of battle fury is 3 seconds?


It's more like 2 seconds. You can see ranges from 2-3, since he has to make another melee swing (or Rending Throw) after the ICD is up. All the times where the stack time is greater than 3 seconds the boss did a Cleave instead. The lack of stacking during Cleaves and the time between stacks when he Rending Throws are the evidence I have for proposing that Battle Fury has an ICD (and for suggesting that it is tied to the boss swings).

This actually makes me wonder if horde is at a disadvantage on this fight because of Muradin's rapid swings. I notice a gain of Battle Fury only 2 seconds apart in the horde log posted above. If his swings are happening more rapidly than Saurfang's, then he'll hug the ICD more closely than Saurfang will and might stack slightly faster!
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Chicken » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:48 pm

Muradin dual wields from what I know, does Saurfang in this fight use a two-handed weapon as usual?
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Kihra » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:52 pm

Rhiannon wrote:So yeah, looks like Muradin dual-wields, and also looks like he might well suffer dw miss penalty?


Your log confused me into thinking Muradin had a faster swing timer than Saurfang until I saw that your DK tank has failed at speccing into Improved Icy Touch. You should make him fix that or use a different tank. :)
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Rhiannon » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:42 pm

Kihra wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:So yeah, looks like Muradin dual-wields, and also looks like he might well suffer dw miss penalty?


Your log confused me into thinking Muradin had a faster swing timer than Saurfang until I saw that your DK tank has failed at speccing into Improved Icy Touch. You should make him fix that or use a different tank. :)


Eh, it's an alt's off-spec for one of five or six 10 man clears per week, not like he'll be tanking 25 man normal or 10 man hardmodes any time soon, but I'll keep it in mind :p. Log was mainly to show that Muradin dual-wields rather than anything else.
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Neara » Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:09 am

Great news, i'm really glad to hear that EH isn't only king because it feels like it for me. Let's go and stack some more Stamina :D
In 10-man yesterday i tanked Saurfang up to 52, that was coming damn close to being a one-hit-wonder (but we just had to kill that battle mage before leaving for i'm on a boat)

So i don't know about horde being at a disadvantage at least out of a tankadin POV. If I assume that Muradin hit's for the same amount as Saurfang, with the difference that the hit is split between his MH and OH, than i would be very happy to tank him because that would mean the Value of my Blockvalue just doubled. (Assuming he doesn't eat away the HS-charged and not too many unblocked hits due to Chill)
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby Kihra » Sun Jan 03, 2010 10:05 am

Neara wrote:Great news, i'm really glad to hear that EH isn't only king because it feels like it for me. Let's go and stack some more Stamina :D
In 10-man yesterday i tanked Saurfang up to 52, that was coming damn close to being a one-hit-wonder (but we just had to kill that battle mage before leaving for i'm on a boat)

So i don't know about horde being at a disadvantage at least out of a tankadin POV. If I assume that Muradin hit's for the same amount as Saurfang, with the difference that the hit is split between his MH and OH, than i would be very happy to tank him because that would mean the Value of my Blockvalue just doubled. (Assuming he doesn't eat away the HS-charged and not too many unblocked hits due to Chill)


Horde is not at a disadvantage on Battle Fury stacking. The swing timers are the same. As I mentioned above, I got confused by the faster swings in the log Rhiannon posted, but the swings were just faster because the DK tanking him only debuffed his attack speed by 14% and not 20%.
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Re: [25] Gunship Battle

Postby rocket » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:51 pm

i did this the other night and got to 51 stacks in 25 man. i was in my EH set with 59K hp, so my avoidance certainly wasnt as good as it could have been.

We normally do the "im on a boat" strat as a normal way we do it, and i was the first tank (i jump at the battlemage spawn). for whatever reason, on the battlemage #2 my healers were saying how i still was completely healable and i should just stay over...but wow i am certain that it got dicey.

During the time the 3rd battlemage spawned, i think my stacks were now about hitting 40, and now the healers started to mention on vent on how big things were getting, and I was the recipient of multiple big heals. we did the chain CDs with my bubblewall, followed by a DG, followed by a PS with me and the healers on vent saying "gogogogo dps get that mage!!!!"

jumped off at 51 stacks and me and the healers chuckled.
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