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Postby Valadus » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:33 pm

So been browsing around all day, toying with different specs watching Omen checking TPS etc etc.

I've found that using proper rotations (along with macroing my judges/seals) that without reckoning I can't seem to break the 500-600tps range, blowing wings and everything I can.

I know reckoning is typically not a smart move because of swing timers etc but losing reckoning severely nerfs my TPS.

I know I've got a couple pieces of gear I need to switch around (mainly shoulders/gloves which GM's wouldn't do the switch on my t4 shoulders to the prot ones) but it's odd that my TPS would be dumbed down so much with the switch from reck -> 1h mastery.

Is there anything I'm missing or some alternate gear that I'm just not thinking about?

Been hording badges to pickup some of the new badge stuff when it hits over on BWL, but I don't know if that's going to be enough. I know right now I'm not uncrushable (still need a lot more block) but if there's any helpful advice to point me in the right direction it'd be appreciated.

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edit: Bit of background, I've MT'd through SSC/TK on my warrior, I LOVE tanking, just find pally tanking to be a lot more fun and enjoyable compared to tanking on the warrior (in other words I'm no noob to pissing things off and making them want to hit me).
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Postby NarfJones » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:36 pm

A)Omen is not good way to measure TPS. Epsecially since the patch.

B) 600 will be about your max TPS with your amount of spell damage. Get more.
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Postby Valadus » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:48 pm

NarfJones wrote:A)Omen is not good way to measure TPS. Epsecially since the patch.

B) 600 will be about your max TPS with your amount of spell damage. Get more.


Squeezing out more +dmg is difficult being as that I took a leap back in progression to tank on my paladin with friends and the fact we haven't quite gotten together the troops for gruul/mag leaves t4 as not much of an option atm, which leaves me collecting badge loot at a slow pace.

I suppose I could dump some arena points on the s2 gavel but that's still a small boost to my +damage comparitively speaking to the rest of the gear that is or is not available to me at the time.
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Postby sweeney » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:31 am

Reckoning isn't going to hurt you (it really doesn't, it's an old wives' tale), and it gives more threat.

Personally I never roll w/o 3/5 Reck and 5/5 1hws.
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Postby NarfJones » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:36 am

Sweeney wrote:Reckoning isn't going to hurt you (it really doesn't, it's an old wives' tale), and it gives more threat.

Personally I never roll w/o 3/5 Reck and 5/5 1hws.


As I've told the thousand people before you who have made the same statement, don't give advise on theorycraft without math backing it up. Without proof in numbers, your statement means nothing.



As for getting more spell damage, I didn't mean, go get more right now. I meant, that's the only way you are going to up your current threat. You have plenty enough spell damage yo finish Karazhan.

600 tps equals 900+ DPS for those with salvation. That is more than enough to finish Karazhan, and even make a good start in 25 man's and t5.
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Postby Valadus » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:20 am

NarfJones wrote:
Sweeney wrote:Reckoning isn't going to hurt you (it really doesn't, it's an old wives' tale), and it gives more threat.

Personally I never roll w/o 3/5 Reck and 5/5 1hws.


As I've told the thousand people before you who have made the same statement, don't give advise on theorycraft without math backing it up. Without proof in numbers, your statement means nothing.



As for getting more spell damage, I didn't mean, go get more right now. I meant, that's the only way you are going to up your current threat. You have plenty enough spell damage yo finish Karazhan.

600 tps equals 900+ DPS for those with salvation. That is more than enough to finish Karazhan, and even make a good start in 25 man's and t5.


Well I think a part of the issue is some of our DPS is overgeared, as far as my gearing concerned is it sufficient enough for early 25 man, or is there some pieces I should swap out that would be more beneficial? (note: close to exalted with SSO so picking up that shield so I'm not too worried about shield upgrades)
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Postby Sithy » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:37 am

Your cursh avoidance is terribly low.

Replace the pvp boots, bracers and ring with some sort of tank equivalent.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28407 is a great starter ring
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29325 - If you never did the escort in mana tombs.
for bracers... there isn't much outside of questing and you probably did the quest that gives http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28167 .

Enchant everything you have. You have good rare gems but enchants are just as good if not even more important in some cases. And I would go for the 18 stam meta over the 10% BV, if your going to be MTing the extra hp helps a ton.
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Postby Valadus » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:43 am

Sithy wrote:Your cursh avoidance is terribly low.

Replace the pvp boots, bracers and ring with some sort of tank equivalent.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28407 is a great starter ring
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29325 - If you never did the escort in mana tombs.
for bracers... there isn't much outside of questing and you probably did the quest that gives http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28167 .

Enchant everything you have. You have good rare gems but enchants are just as good if not even more important in some cases. And I would go for the 18 stam meta over the 10% BV, if your going to be MTing the extra hp helps a ton.


Yea those are the obvious replacements (boots/bracers that is) been doing kara as ret waiting for vambraces or elusion to drop since I'm saving badges for the other tanking pieces.

I plan on switching to the 18 stam meta once I replace the boots/bracers, at this point though thinking about switching over to blacksmithing and picking up the SSC boot pattern (Boots of the Protector?) if elusion or battlescar don't drop, and snagging some green fortress bracers (my warrior is a 375 BS so I can make them when I get the lifes together).

As for crush avoidance I think I'm at 92 (last I checked) with yea I need 102.4 but hopefully I can get that replacing the boots/bracers alone.
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