Question about paladin vs DK threat

[Moonkid]

Given two tanks with more or less equal gear, and no MD/tricks/etc for the MT, who should be doing more threat on a boss? A paladin or a Blood DK?

There are more factors involved in answering that, I know, but I'm just curious who should be coming out on top, with all things being equal.

[Bastien]

Given two tanks with more or less equal gear, and no MD/tricks/etc for the MT, who should be doing more threat on a boss? A paladin or a Blood DK?

There are more factors involved in answering that, I know, but I'm just curious who should be coming out on top, with all things being equal.

On live, I would say paladin. In my tanking days (mage is now my main), I could pretty much pull a boss of the MT, who was a blood DK, given ample time on target. This was primarily during Ulduar and ToC.

[ulushnar]

Strangely enough, i was pulling threat off Bara quite easily last night as a Blood DK vs his Prot Paladin. the icy Touch buff is pretty significant in the first minute of a fight.

[Moonkid]

Strangely enough, i was pulling threat off Bara quite easily last night as a Blood DK vs his Prot Paladin. the icy Touch buff is pretty significant in the first minute of a fight.

That's what was happening to me as well. It's easily solved by just letting me have a few seconds head start (which offtanks should be doing, no?), but what concerned me the most was the DK would eventually pull ahead halfway through the fight somehow.

I had 230ish hit, 26 expertise, and using the str libram, so it seems like it should not be happening (assuming correct rotation) unless Blood DK threat is just better these days?

[Gamingdevil]

Strangely enough, i was pulling threat off Bara quite easily last night as a Blood DK vs his Prot Paladin. the icy Touch buff is pretty significant in the first minute of a fight.

That's what was happening to me as well. It's easily solved by just letting me have a few seconds head start (which offtanks should be doing, no?), but what concerned me the most was the DK would eventually pull ahead halfway through the fight somehow.

I had 230ish hit, 26 expertise, and using the str libram, so it seems like it should not be happening (assuming correct rotation) unless Blood DK threat is just better these days?

Icy Touch is pretty insane. If he's prioritizing that in his rotation, then his threat should be through the roof.

[amh]

Strangely enough, i was pulling threat off Bara quite easily last night as a Blood DK vs his Prot Paladin. the icy Touch buff is pretty significant in the first minute of a fight.

That's what was happening to me as well. It's easily solved by just letting me have a few seconds head start (which offtanks should be doing, no?), but what concerned me the most was the DK would eventually pull ahead halfway through the fight somehow.

I had 230ish hit, 26 expertise, and using the str libram, so it seems like it should not be happening (assuming correct rotation) unless Blood DK threat is just better these days?

Got a log? Compare the number of Icy Touches and Plague Strikes (assuming a more or less tank and spank fight - no ranged pickups). If your DK is merely optimizing his dps, the ratio should be 1:1 (under ideal circumstances. Missed / dodged / parried attacks do not consume the rune, this this might set it off a bit). On the other hand, if he´s used significantly more IT than PS, you can start to suspect that he´s messing with you. :)

That said, DK threat is quite good while main tanking. Thrice-stacked Bloody Vengeance -> Rune Strike deals a ridiculous amount of damage and threat. If he pulls off you with the initial IT and gets a healthy avoidance streak, you should have a hard time catching up.

[Dantriges]

He can dump four runes into icy touch with its ridiculous threat modifier. If he wants threat, he will get it.

[rgill80771]

So to compete against IT what would be the best way to front load. IT is equal to 2-3 shield slams I think. We have a DK in guild and he just smokes all the tanks in threat when he uses IT.

[d503]

Depends on the fight, but is he getting Rune Strike procs? If he's offtanking on a fight like Marrowgar or any boss from Cleaveland, Rune Strike will keep him quite high, even with a 1:1 IT/PS rotation.

I know when I'm tanking Marrowgar, well...I'm not tanking Marrowgar because the Warrior/Druid with endless rage pools, or DK with back to back Rune Strikes has overtaken me from about 10s in.

[Fenris]

There is nothing more to say that it is all IT "fault"

My dk is fairly less geared than my paladin,and still,using a non-IT spamming rotation with only 3 IT in it, i can easily pull better threat (both snap and sustained) as long as i dont slack on the runes

Then,if you chain them....6 IT will steal aggro from anyone,period

[Dantriges]

ok , we are probably not talking about IT spambuilds but still. Standard Blood can dump 4 runes into IT, frost the same. If he wants it, he gets it.