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Postby majiben » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:14 am

I never used nightmare seeds because first off, I over geared all the raid content I tanked in TBC (go go badge gear) and even as a herbalist I only encountered 5 nightmare seeds in all of TBC.

With the time it takes to get the seeds I would advise against getting new ones but if you have a stock of them already they are still useful.
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Postby theothersteve7 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:20 pm

New food as of 3.0.8!!!

Fish Feast
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43015

Inferior to Dragonfin. However, if you're out of food it's quite acceptable and the second best food available. The stamina and stats here are on par with top tier raiding food. It costs 4 Northern Spices to make, and so will probably be mostly limited to raiding.

This requires Cooking 450 to make, being the first food to do so. It is trainable for 5 Cooking Awards. The ultimate dish, as it were.
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Postby majiben » Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:54 pm

Been in the list from the start listed as a group platter.
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Postby theothersteve7 » Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:00 pm

Oops, I should have noticed. Good catch. Well, apparently it's going to be patched into the game now; they missed it on release.
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Postby KysenMurrin » Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:39 am

Yeah, IIRC there were four missing recipes - two are being added with the patch, two are being removed entirely.
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Postby alexhawz » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:19 am

Do any of you use scrolls? like protection, str, stam...
i've occasionally used spirit for the heck of it to keep mana regen up,but thats kinda noobish on my part i'm guessing. i dont use them often, and i havent raided much (mostly kara, and a few BC heroics). the stam would be useful if you dont get a priest, or int for mage replacement.
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Postby majiben » Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:47 am

Well as you may or may not know, scrolls no longer stack with class based buffs and are overwritten by those class buffs. The strongest scroll buffs for us are Stamina, Armor, Str, and Agility. We bring our own armor buff so that scroll is out. Either DKs or shamans bring both Str and Agility buffs. The Stamina buff from the scroll pales in comparision to a priest's buff but may be viable if you are desperate for a HP boost and missing a priest.

In 5 mans I can't see myself paying several gold per scroll for something not needed for progression. In 25 mans you will likely have all those buffs already in better quality and for free. In 10 mans you might encounter a few missing buffs and that's where the scrolls could come into play. I personally wouldn't bother with either the STR or Agility scrolls but might use an Stam should I be without a priest.

I might consider adding them to list if more people feel they should be included.
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Postby Kelarik » Sun Dec 21, 2008 7:11 am

I don't use consumables in 5-man, but in Raids I pop out a Great Feast. AP, SP, and Stam in 1 food buff, all good ^_^
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Postby Arizara » Thu Dec 25, 2008 12:51 am

id say that the spell power flask is equally as viable for naxx as endless rage, and much easier to come by... you take a HotR hit, but a huge buff to holy wrath. the hp flask makes me want to cry how much a non-upgrade it is.
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Postby majiben » Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:15 am

Arizara wrote:id say that the spell power flask is equally as viable for naxx as endless rage, and much easier to come by... you take a HotR hit, but a huge buff to holy wrath. the hp flask makes me want to cry how much a non-upgrade it is.
Going out and buying a spell power elixir or flask is never the right move in this era. The +50 str elixir is worth more threat than the flask of the frostwrym.
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Postby theothersteve7 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:45 am

This may not be useful, but apparently the Runes from Blacksmithing still work. Having recently leveled BS through Outland I acquired a small pile of them.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23576

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25521

Not a big buff, but something that stacks with everything else.
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Postby Gabrion » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:11 pm

I don't fully understand why Rhinolicious Wormsteak isn't on the top of fine dining. I was under the impression that expertise is really good for us...bosses parrying is bad right?
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Postby Fridmarr » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:14 pm

Gabrion wrote:I don't fully understand while Rhinolicious Wormsteak isn't on the top of fine dining. I was under the impression that expertise is really good for us...bosses parrying is bad right?


Well expertise doesn't effect a lot of our attacks, and while parrying might cause an increase in haste for the boss, overall it's a pretty small concern.
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Postby Dokidoki » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:11 pm

Thank you majiben, this was very helpful :)
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Postby theothersteve7 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:01 am

Expertise isn't bad, it's just inferior to Strength, Hit, Attack Power, and a lot of other things. It's a good statistic but we have a lot of awesome statistics.
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Postby Flipthebird » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:13 pm

Quick question...

Does the +650 health consumable mean that if I have 20,000 hp before I take it, I'll have 20,650 hp after? Or is there some calculation that I'm missing?
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Postby majiben » Mon Feb 02, 2009 3:17 pm

That's all there is to it.
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Postby Fetzie » Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:31 pm

You might want to add http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42779 (Steaming Chicken Soup) for the cost conscious 5 man heroic tank who could do with a bit more health (my situation the last couple of weeks. At 1g60 for 5 (6g40 per stack) it is very cheap, although the secondary stat isnt exactly wonderful.

Stats are 25 Stam/25 spirit for 30 minutes
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Postby majiben » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:08 am

Will add it to the better than nothing list!
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Postby majiben » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:23 am

Flask of stoneblood is being buffed on the PTR to 750 hp up from 650 hp. This finally gets it's iLvL above the TBC flask but not by much.

Will amend the guide once 3.1 is live.
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Postby Inapropriate » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:24 pm

Is there a reason you don't rate the Flask of Chromatic Wonder at all?

I find it esp useful for spell damage intensive encounters, but a handy flask for most situations as well. It's now quite cheap and easy to make assuming you have a alchemist as no-one much harvests the old mats now.

Typically I run the Gurus/Protection elixir double, but I still find the flask a viable, occasionally better, option at times.

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Postby Rummy » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:33 pm

sorry if this has been posted before ive just flicked through and havent read the entire thread

when i was farming my own herbs ive been using the +650 hp flask.
now i have to buy my mats and we've got alot of content on farm (alot less deaths) I'm going to switch to the +350 health (+20hp5) elixir and the guru's elixir (+20 stats).

These seem to be the best value for money buying the mats off the AH (I'm still alc specced, but dropped herb for jc) id consider the +40 str but guru mats are ridiculously cheap atm

can anyone suggest better elixirs for an alc specced tank (make my own for the bonus)

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Postby Zoltar » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:33 pm

Majiben wrote:Flask of stoneblood is being buffed on the PTR to 750 hp up from 650 hp. This finally gets it's iLvL above the TBC flask but not by much.


100HP extra, how underwhelming. Barely a drop in the ocean when you are 40K raid buffed.

I'll stick with my combo of Guru's elixir & elixir of protection I think.
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Postby majiben » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:46 pm

Inapropriate wrote:Is there a reason you don't rate the Flask of Chromatic Wonder at all?
I missed it when I did my wowhead search due to it having an unusual lvl requirement compared to other flasks. I will be adding it soon.


@Rummy

I heavily suggest using any guardian elixir but +350 hp due to it's very low ilvl. If you want EH recommend an armor elixir and if you want something else I recommend the defense elixir. I can understanding using the hp elixir should you find them to be incredibly inexpensive.

As for farm content elixirs I can think of nothing cheaper or better than +50 str. I'm surprised that +20 stats is actually cheaper on your server. Usually pygmy oil and fish are quite expensive.
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Postby Rummy » Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:59 pm

Majiben wrote: I'm surprised that +20 stats is actually cheaper on your server. Usually pygmy oil and fish are quite expensive.


ty for the feedback i'll re-check ah for mat price of others

1g for a stack of 20 pygmy-fish (i forgot what they're called) atm.
since they changed the droprate of the fish in the last patch they are insanely cheap
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