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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Nadir » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:33 am

I know it seems impressive, but they're trivializing the adds due to a "bug" yet again. I see these kills as little different than exploiting Holy Wrath. You're doing essentially the same thing (zero to low damage from adds), except it *requires* certain OT classes rather than merely three-four Paladins (which you still need anyway for P2).

Notice what kind of off-tank Paragon and Premo used. You'll never see a Bear or DK. Why? Block value.

The adds work like this:
A 4k unblocked hit will be multiplied by 300% to 12k.
A 1k blocked hit (3k BV, IMO reasonable) will be multiplied by 300% to 3k.

It seems that with ~3-4kish BV you essentially take zero damage from adds that otherwise hit you for 12k unblocked with the full +300% damage taken buff.

The other key to the puzzle is to wear gear that makes you passively unhitable (for us, this will be without Holy Shield because 4 adds + 300% attack speed = lol 8 charges). Since the adds are level 82 you will need 101.6% avoidance + block.

Given that this strategy basically says fuck you to DK/Bear OTs, I don't see it being considered legitimate by Blizzard in the long run. I foresee a bug fix so that BV is applied after +% damage taken debuffs rather than beforehand.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby fuzzygeek » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:21 am

Yeah, I can't see how they're not going to nerf this. Compare:
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[21:38:15.983] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:16.802] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:16.802] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:16.802] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (4) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:16.802] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (5) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:20.542] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:21.325] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:21.622] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:21.622] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (6) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:22.401] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:22.526] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:23.509] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:23.732] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:23.743] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (7) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:24.554] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:24.847] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:25.646] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:25.661] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (8) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:25.958] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:26.694] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:26.863] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (9) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:26.956] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:27.674] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:28.064] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (10) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:30.404] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:30.996] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:31.296] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:31.640] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:32.068] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:32.845] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:32.934] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:33.279] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:33.822] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:34.124] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:34.504] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:34.913] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:34.975] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:36.124] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:36.129] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:36.201] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:36.301] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:37.212] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:37.274] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:37.333] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:38.525] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:38.532] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:39.298] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:39.314] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:39.468] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:40.254] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:40.497] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:40.528] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:41.315] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block


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[20:30:53.350] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness from Nerubian Burrower
[20:30:57.778] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4019
[20:30:58.935] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (2) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:30:59.671] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 5156
[20:31:00.084] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 1579 (B: 2540)
[20:31:00.560] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (3) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:00.570] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4632
[20:31:00.945] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (4) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:01.352] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4837 (B: 1179)
[20:31:01.695] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (5) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:01.709] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 2962 (B: 2358)
[20:31:02.130] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (6) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:02.397] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:02.926] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (7) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:06.592] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:06.592] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10199
[20:31:07.376] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (8) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:07.782] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9398
[20:31:07.782] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:08.588] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (9) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:09.009] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10469
[20:31:09.009] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:09.727] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (10) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:10.195] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:10.195] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 5834 (B: 1270)
[20:31:11.012] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:11.382] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:11.382] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:12.598] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9362
[20:31:12.598] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:13.429] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:13.831] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Miss
[20:31:14.938] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 11634
[20:31:15.828] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:16.950] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 8948
[20:31:17.846] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:18.128] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:18.604] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:19.348] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 11141
[20:31:19.823] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4973 (B: 1270)
[20:31:20.226] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:21.022] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:21.037] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10600
[20:31:22.207] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:22.207] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:23.424] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:28.197] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:30.635] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9910
[20:31:31.474] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:33.087] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 8722
[20:31:33.914] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:35.408] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 7724
[20:31:35.907] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10566


These are on 10h; I imagine more BV will be required for 25h. I was running about 3.5k bv.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:19 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:Yeah, I can't see how they're not going to nerf this. Compare:
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[21:38:15.983] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:16.802] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:16.802] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:16.802] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (4) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:16.802] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (5) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:20.542] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:21.325] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:21.622] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:21.622] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (6) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:22.401] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:22.526] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:23.509] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:23.732] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:23.743] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (7) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:24.554] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:24.847] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:25.646] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:25.661] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (8) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:25.958] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:26.694] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:26.863] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (9) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:26.956] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:27.674] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:28.064] Shadowyn afflicted by Expose Weakness (10) from Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:30.404] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:30.996] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:31.296] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:31.640] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:32.068] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:32.845] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:32.934] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:33.279] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:33.822] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:34.124] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:34.504] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:34.913] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:34.975] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:36.124] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:36.129] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:36.201] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:36.301] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:37.212] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:37.274] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:37.333] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:38.525] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:38.532] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Miss
[21:38:39.298] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Parry
[21:38:39.314] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:39.468] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:40.254] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block
[21:38:40.497] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Dodge
[21:38:40.528] Shadowyn's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[21:38:41.315] Nerubian Burrower hits Shadowyn Block


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[20:30:53.350] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness from Nerubian Burrower
[20:30:57.778] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4019
[20:30:58.935] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (2) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:30:59.671] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 5156
[20:31:00.084] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 1579 (B: 2540)
[20:31:00.560] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (3) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:00.570] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4632
[20:31:00.945] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (4) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:01.352] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4837 (B: 1179)
[20:31:01.695] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (5) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:01.709] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 2962 (B: 2358)
[20:31:02.130] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (6) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:02.397] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:02.926] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (7) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:06.592] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:06.592] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10199
[20:31:07.376] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (8) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:07.782] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9398
[20:31:07.782] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:08.588] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (9) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:09.009] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10469
[20:31:09.009] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:09.727] Veda afflicted by Expose Weakness (10) from Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:10.195] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:10.195] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 5834 (B: 1270)
[20:31:11.012] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:11.382] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:11.382] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:12.598] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9362
[20:31:12.598] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:13.429] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:13.831] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Miss
[20:31:14.938] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 11634
[20:31:15.828] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:16.950] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 8948
[20:31:17.846] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:18.128] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:18.604] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:19.348] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 11141
[20:31:19.823] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 4973 (B: 1270)
[20:31:20.226] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:21.022] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:21.037] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10600
[20:31:22.207] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:22.207] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Parry
[20:31:23.424] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:28.197] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda Dodge
[20:31:30.635] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 9910
[20:31:31.474] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:33.087] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 8722
[20:31:33.914] Veda's Expose Weakness is refreshed by Nerubian Burrower
[20:31:35.408] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 7724
[20:31:35.907] Nerubian Burrower hits Veda 10566


These are on 10h; I imagine more BV will be required for 25h. I was running about 3.5k bv.


the BV change on 25 Heroic is HUGE.

If my holy-shield charges get ate too fast i'll take 17-18k per hit with 10 debuffs, with block i take 3-4k with 10 stacks.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Nadir » Sat Sep 12, 2009 8:38 pm

Yeah. You can look at Premo's video and based on Xav's HP he's clearly stacking block rating up to unhittable status.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:47 pm

Nadir wrote:Yeah. You can look at Premo's video and based on Xav's HP he's clearly stacking block rating up to unhittable status.

Time to hit Naxx25 for all that sick BR gear.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Joanadark » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:26 pm

Omg i freaking LOVE the addd control rotation sequence I came up with! Its so much fun.
have to spec 3/17/51 just for anub though. ><
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Nadir » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:31 pm

Why 3/17/51?
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:35 pm

Nadir wrote:Why 3/17/51?


Brekkie's a ret paladin. I'M the prot paladin
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Nadir » Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:38 pm

Aubade wrote:
Nadir wrote:Why 3/17/51?


Brekkie's a ret paladin. I'M the prot paladin


:lol:

Ah.
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Nadir » Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:58 pm

Multiple sub 5% wipes tonight. We'll get it Tuesday or Wednesday if they don't nerf unhittable / block value overnight. :/
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:33 am

blahh we are working on P3. quite a few P3 wipes tonight, Need to get passive unhittable >.>
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby kram » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:02 am

NVM!
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Lisson » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:52 am

Started working on the passive unhittable.. but coming short at 90% (with kings/horn up)

anyone have a link of what they are currently using for their set?
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby Aubade » Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:07 am

Lisson wrote:Started working on the passive unhittable.. but coming short at 90% (with kings/horn up)

anyone have a link of what they are currently using for their set?


Once we kill the boss i'll post my set, fully buffed my set will have me at 105.5%
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Re: [25 Heroic] Anub'arak

Postby kram » Tue Sep 15, 2009 6:12 am

Lisson wrote:Started working on the passive unhittable.. but coming short at 90% (with kings/horn up)

anyone have a link of what they are currently using for their set?

rawr gearset
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