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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:39 pm

quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:46 pm

Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby keesdel » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:31 pm

This is the first posting here
I am in need of some help..I always seem to keep dieing on Norushen when I go into the other realm...I am getting the interupts and moving out of the titanic smash..but the dot it pops on me I dont know if I just dont have enough stam in my gear..and forget about getting an offhand in that raid either ..spent 4 tokens on bosses this week trying to get one

http://armorylite.com/us/drenden/Grandkeesdel

if there is anything that I can do to help with that please feel free to let me know..I hate to have to be brezed in the fight

Thanks in advance
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Extermi » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:37 am

Xfighter wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.


Actually a bit "unfair" in that it lowers CD on AW but not on HA - I really did prefer HA and still like the playstyle. But now that I got the trinket, a 2.5 min AW with SW talented is really looking strong(er). Any thoughts here if this shifts talent choices from HA to SW ? (Considering you, like me, dont like DP as the build-up time before the first EF ticks just feels way to loooooong)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:02 am

HA is still as strong as it was.

also it still is more Burst reduce and easier HoPo management o a stil lower CD then AW with SW even with the trinket.

the reason why HA is not affected, is because it would have become TO strong.the ilvl 580 version has 25% reduction so this would mean that HA is on a 90s CD.

you gain > 30s of SoTR coverage with HA. so you basically have > 30 sec shieldwall every minute.

no really balance. and Blizzard saw this as well. that's why HA is not affected.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:11 am

Extermi wrote:
Xfighter wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.


Actually a bit "unfair" in that it lowers CD on AW but not on HA - I really did prefer HA and still like the playstyle. But now that I got the trinket, a 2.5 min AW with SW talented is really looking strong(er). Any thoughts here if this shifts talent choices from HA to SW ? (Considering you, like me, dont like DP as the build-up time before the first EF ticks just feels way to loooooong)

It might move it closer, yea. But its still a long CD, and the benefit to HA is you generally want it more often as a "CD", and the 2 mins for most uses of it I've found to be about right in terms of timing.

I'm personally a big fan of running DP over either of the others, so much that when running HA it feels weird for me, but HA does have its uses for me on some fights. (Swapped to DP around heroic horridon so ~a month after ToT) and have only changed to HA for some specific fights. In SoO, the only time I really found myself rocking HA has been on Heroic IronJug for blanket EFs in p2, heroic Malkorok (solo soaking rages), and random Thok kills to help with EFs to stay in p1 longer (mostly earlier kills when DPS lacked).



With the trinket though, I'm sure all are pretty comparable in terms of HP/Min, with SW maybe pulling a bit ahead of HA, and DP being more random (sometimes wayy better, sometimes equal, sometimes worse) - but simming yourself with each using the trinket would be able to give you more concrete evidence of benefits.



Schroom wrote:HA is still as strong as it was.
no really balance. and Blizzard saw this as well. that's why HA is not affected.

Also they stated that they stayed away from effecting talents, as the talents in general (for all specs) aren't balanced around the trinket, and it would make that talent the 100% right choice for most classes, which goes against the whole concept of MoP talents.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby kamidak » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:03 am

how a pally can "soak" the p2 from heroic malkorok(25)? like... pop all cd's and some others external?
And 3m CD back for next p2 :?:
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:14 am

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... dus/simple

Could use a quick audit, Ignore the Xuen cloak, I raid with the Nizuao clock on progression stuff.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lid » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:59 pm

kamidak wrote:how a pally can "soak" the p2 from heroic malkorok(25)? like... pop all cd's and some others external?
And 3m CD back for next p2 :?:


Pretty much, you want to stagger your cooldowns and externals to cover the 20 seconds of the phase. It's made better if you have Rook's Unlucky Talisman, since that works on Blood Rage. You can only really soak the second one if you have a good enough Vial of Living Corruption. The next blood rage is in 2 minutes 50 seconds, and your cooldowns will be slightly off if you don't have that cooldown reduction trinket.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:01 am

yep or really plan your cooldowns so you only have to use them once. or do enough DPS to kill the Boss before the seoncd BR ^^

take a look @ the Raid discussions here on maintankadin. there are threads for 25 and 10m HM Malkorok
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby burglah » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:03 pm

Hey all, could use your esteemed opinions on my build.

Currently: http://www.wowprogress.com/character/us/kil-jaeden/Alphos (armory isn't up due to a recent realm xfer)

I run 10m heroics and we're currently working on Thok. For progression I use the tank cloak and occasionally the CD reduction trinket.

I recently got the Prot chest and shoulder tokens, and was wondering if it's worth it to drop my heroic off-pieces in order to hit the 4pc bonus. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be worth the stat loss.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Darrak » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:43 pm

burglah wrote:I recently got the Prot chest and shoulder tokens, and was wondering if it's worth it to drop my heroic off-pieces in order to hit the 4pc bonus. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be worth the stat loss.


If you're running with DP and EF it's imo definitely worth it. When the patch came out i was reluctant about using the 4p but when i tried it i was astonished at how OP it is. With it it's joy to play with eternal flame, which i really hated before. I'd say it's easily worth 10% of haste. Just give it a try on farm and see for yourself.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Mordred » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:26 am

Just a quick question on my trinkets. I just picked up the Stamina trinket with the AOE damage reduction, I am thinking of replacing the Spark of Zandaral with it. This will cost me about 3% haste, bringing me from 42.93 haste to 39.87%. I was wondering if the extra stamina is worth more then the amount of haste I am losing. My other trinket is the dodge lifesteal one, kind of useless but I am getting almost 900 haste from the reforge.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Kal » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:27 pm

You say Spark gets you about 3% haste, so I assume you have the LFR version. In that case, the upgrade is very much worth it. If it was thunderforged, or even normal and upgraded, I'd recommend keeping it in your bags for when you want some extra DPS, but for survivability, your SoO trinkets are better.

In any case, I recommend grinding out 50k coins for the 535 Alacrity of Xuen. For me, when I select the Low Stamina option on Ask Mr Robot "(Don't use stamina gems, enchants, or trinkets in most cases)" Alacrity is #3 behind Vial of Living Corruption, warforged at #1 and normal at #2.

I have Rook's Unlucky Talisman, Soul Barrier, and Alacrity of Xuen. I switch between the last two depending on whether I feel I need the extra health or the extra DPS. For example, I use Alacrity on all bosses up through Iron Juggernaut, to hurry things along. If my group 3 tanks Dark Shaman, I keep it, if we 2 tank it, I switch to the 2 Stam trinkets. On Nazgrim I use Alacrity again to help kill adds and get a better burn phase. On Malkorok, I use Alacrity since it's a DPS check. On Spoils I use 2 Stam trinkets since I'm opening boxes, which reduces how much Holy Power I can generate. For Thok, I've been using 2 Stam since that's our progression. Last week we were working on Blackfuse instead, so I was using Alacrity to help kill my adds. It's a very flexible system. Eventually, I'm hoping to get Vial to have full time, swapping between Rook's and Alacrity as needed, same concept, just with better stats and cooldown reduction.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Mordred » Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:32 am

It might be a little more than 3% it is the norm version upgraded to 530. Thanks for the advice, I will hold on to it and use it for a dps gain on certian fights.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby DonFerren » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:15 am

Am I ready for flex?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/wyrmrest-accord/Jenethea/simple

I read that having a 463 shield would get you squashed in SoO LFR. I have upgraded Sutiru's Brazen Bulwark to 484, but had terrible luck getting a shield to drop from Sha of Pride in LFR. Will the upgraded Sutiru's be enough for flex, or should I keep banging my head against LFR?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:34 am

DonFerren wrote:Am I ready for flex?


At that itemlevel, you are ready for normal modes.

A better shield would be nice but one item slot is never make or break for a tank (unlike the weapon for a dps).

Your haste is a low, so try to work on that. Use something like ask mr robot to see if you can squeeze your hit and expertise to be closer to caps, then keep an eye out for upgrades with haste on them. Setting your loot spec to ret is often a good idea as there's less chance of low priority stats (but not for bosses that drop shields ofc!).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby DonFerren » Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:09 pm

After trying that out, I was able to get just over the hit/exp caps by reforging alone. I also tried replacing all gems with straight up haste. This caused me to lose around 50k health, but only gain about 4% haste. Is it worth the trade off?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:19 pm

Given your itemlevel and the content you want to tank - flex - I think it's fine to sacrifice health for haste. That's what I'm doing. If you were undergeared or going up against Garrosh soon, then I might hesitate. But what most people do is work towards the haste cap (50%) as they approach normal mode gear level (553). Heroic raiders have the luxury of capping haste and then choosing stamina, mastery or even crit.

Once you get a nice level of haste, the play style does become very enjoyable. I am still not 100% convinced it's better survival than stamina (opinions differ) but once you've tasted it, it's hard to go back.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Chromeon » Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:28 am

Hey.

Just rerolled to paladin tank and would like some advice.

armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... eon/simple

First a trinket question. I have:
Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault 2/2
Vial of Living Corruption 2/2
Thok's Tail Tip

Should i replace the Shado-Pan with Thok trinket?

Second, as i just rerolled my gear is a bit low. My guild is 4/14 HC and ive tanked Immerseus, Protectors and Norushen so far. It feels like my HP is a bit low and ive gone all out haste on my gemming. Should i go for some pure sta or haste+sta gems till i bump up my ilevel a bit?

would appreciate some help!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:36 am

Does Thok's talisman have a penalty for non str-dps? You know how they change the PPM for classes/specs a trinket (or cloak) is not intended for?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Kal » Thu Nov 07, 2013 4:07 pm

For your trinkets, I don't think Thok's is that great for Prot Pally. For now, probably best to stick with the Brutal Talisman. Either way, keep the Vial on at all times. It's the best. You say your HP feels a bit low. To go with it, I suggest looking at Stamina trinket options first.

Your better options are any version, LFR and above, of Rook's Unlucky Talisman or Curse of Hubris.

If you do any ToT, consider rolling for a chance at Soul Barrier.

If you really need the stamina but none of the above are dropping, get Lao-Chin's Liquid Courage. Don't let the low ilevel fool you, it's a powerful trinket. It has more stamina than the Brutal Talisman has expertise, and the 1 minute mastery cooldown is very useful. I personally started SoO normal with Lao-Chin's and Soul Barrier and had no health issues.

For your gems, I suggest first putting two Solid Serpent's Eyes into a couple blue slots. You're getting 480 stats either way, so you might as well get some more stamina.

Also, I notice you are gemming straight haste in red slots, but reforging for expertise. If you instead gemmed expertise/haste in some of those slots and reforged for haste, you'll pick up more socket bonuses for more stats overall. If you haven't already, I suggest trying Ask Mr Robot to optimize stats.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:19 pm

Klaudandus wrote:Does Thok's talisman have a penalty for non str-dps? You know how they change the PPM for classes/specs a trinket (or cloak) is not intended for?

Not that I know of.

For your trinkets, I don't think Thok's is that great for Prot Pally.


It lowers the haste required for 50% to about 19.5k /shrug
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby melisandyr » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:17 am

Chromeon: as the posters above have mentioned, you get more stamina relative to other stats on trinkets. If you're looking for the best place to increase your stamina, this is probably it. There's a post in the advanced theorycrafting section somewhere (don't have time to cross-reference it know, but from memory) as a jc, your best places for stamina are:
1) trinkets 2) jc gems 3) normal gems 4) enchants (like cloak)5) reforging - which you can't to stamina, but can get haste here

Reverse this list, and you get the best places to start stacking haste:
1) reforging 2) enchants 3) normal gems 4) jc gems and finally 1) trinkets

I think it would be worthwhile for you to think about a hybrid approach, mixing stamina and haste. There are some good posts about the optimisation of haste on sacred duty, which references that the haste rotation is relatively unforgiving for people who can't hit it spot on. Specifically, things like judgement and crusader strike clashes where you choose judgement will penalise you quite harshly. Padding out your hp pool will help give you a bit of insurance to make sure that these small mistakes don't translate into a death or wipe.

As you build your confidence with the rotation (and I'm talking about the transition from very strong player to expert specifically) you can start to really push for haste, if that feels comfortable for your raid team.

What you need to think about, as well as taking onboard the theorycrafting information, is how strong your raid team are. Do you have good healers that have quick reactions? How efficient are they at rolling cooldowns on tanks? Can you regularly rely on pain suppression or blessing of sacrifice? This should help inform you about whether you need to increase your hp pool, or need to go down the hp route?

When you get to a point where you're happy with the health you have, I think having Thok's in your bag will be very useful. It really does give a sizeable chunk of haste if you're going for the 50% cap. Perhaps also worth thinking about if you want to gear for 50% is running Heroic Horridon for the heroic Spark, if you can persuade a few Guildies to run that with you.

Probably haven't added too much to the posters above. But I will say in summary that having a wide selection of trinkets for different fights this tier is really useful. On encounters where my healers are busy, I'll go double stamina. For farm, I'll swap in the Brutal talisman with the Dps legendary cloak and a Spark (I don't have Thok's yet) or the 535 Xuen. For progress fights where I'm comfortable with me health, I'll go Vial and Spark. To get this sort of utility I make sure I'm getting all my expertise hard cap from my main gear.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Babis » Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Hello,i 've just looted http://www.wowhead.com/item=104421 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=104420 but i think i'll keep my current normal gear http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/Babistsikos/simple.What do you guys think?
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