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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Winkle » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:29 am

Here's a comparison to my last Siegecrafter kill: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/5jknlvjs ... 297&e=5538

You do seem to be taking approximately 135% of my damage.

Here's your CD usage: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-oe6cn ... 365&e=2640

and here's mine: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/5jknlvjs ... 297&e=5538

Our CD/buffs gained looks relatively similar, the only large discrepancy is the use of HA. Since you start the pull it strikes me as strange that you wouldn't use HA on the pull. With HA on the pull not only do you get an immediate Shield of the righeous up but also you can quickly build up 5 bastion stacks for a nice EF.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Kaena » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:56 am

I tend to save HA for when the frenzy pops up after killing the Ad and I have to tank the boss, IT seemed to make that part easier to heal, maybe it is better at the start? I am not sure.

Unusual that I am using the cooldowns similarly but so much higher on damage taken
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:56 am

the on thing I noticed by comparing your logs to mine.

you take to much unnecessary damage.

Superheated
Death From Above
Detonate!
Shockwave Missile

ar ALL things that should never hit you, and can be avoided.

it would reduce your Total damage received by about 1.5 Million.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Kaena » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:53 pm

Mm yeah, that was a messy attempt, we had a new tank that night and dps were running superheated on top of me and blocking me from the shredder.

Didn't realise I got hit by shockwave or death from above though, bad tank, but would that equate to the difference ?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Tiburse » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:27 pm

This it where im at, stuck in LFR as my work schedule prevents me from finding a full time raiding guild. (sat-wed 2pm-11pm EST) If anyone needs a tankadin let me know. ;p

Just wondering where I should go from here going to be getting the Brutal Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault to replace my Resolve of Niuzao next week. Just wondering where else I should be heading at this point (legendary cloak is in works as well)

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Halide » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:48 am

I recently hit level 90 and started tanking my guilds heroic progress/normal farm raids, before last week i'd never even played a paladin in any capacity so it's all rather quick for me. I'v tanked nearly a full SOO clear now with logs, but felt extremely squishy + spiky on a lot of the fights, to the point where i ended up tunnel vision cooldowns/AM rather than focus on the fight, but that's probably just inexperience.
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-jbnoqvlbi06jmtny/
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-sf43iqrjvr6yyt3w/
These are the reports, would absolutely love any advice at all, glancing at them myself i can see EF uptime is extremely low on some fights and i took a fair bit of avoidable damage, but i really have no clue what sort of sotr uptime i should be hitting with my gear though, or if my gearing is correct, perhaps more stamina would be a good idea for now?
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... e/advanced (First log i was ~ 528, second ~ 535)
Professions are being leveled as i find the gold to, BS made good sense as can swap between haste/stam, but JC doesn't have the same amount of haste, should i just go LW for the extra stam over other professions, or is there something i'v missed that's great for prot, some use of engi?
Finally if anyone could clarify how i should use wog/EF, put it up at the very start, wait for 5 stacks bog? Should i cast it on other people for the hot or only if they're really low? Refresh with more vengeance, if so, what's a good benchmark for how much more.
Sorry for the mass of questions, i really don't like being the one who holds back progression or makes the fight harder, so any reply is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Jackinthegreen » Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:08 am

First of all, do you know the priority system that generates the most HoPo? If not, it's CS>J>AS(with or without GC)>HW>Cons. HoW is above Cons I believe but might also be above HW. It's definitely not above AS though, with or without a GC proc. That'll lead into a rotation looking like CS-J-X-CS-X-J-CS-X-X and repeat, with X as filler. As you can see from that there are 3 CS for every 2 J, which doesn't seem to be fully reflected in your ability use. You've got closer to 1:1 CS:J there, which might be improved.

If you're still getting used to tanking you might want to try going with Sacred Shield first simply because it doesn't mess up your HoPo generation which you'll want to nail before going into EF so you can get the most from it and get a feel for when healing instead of SotR is best used.

If you find you're getting spike damage on the pull then Holy Avenger might be better for you so you can get a SotR out right from the start. It can likewise help minimize damage during heavy periods or times where your healers might be able to get to you as quickly as they otherwise might. DP is going to give the highest uptime but if you're still working on HoPo generation then it's not gonig to be as good.

Upgrading your shield is the biggest gain to armor you can get. The one from Sha of Pride is probably your easiest option, but Nazgrim has the best itemized one.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:25 am

Is it ok to break T15 2-set bonus in order to get the T16 2-set bonus? I've had terrible luck with drops and all I've gotten so far is T16 Flex chest and hands, but I got T-15 LFR shoulders and T15 Gloves.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Kal » Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:25 pm

@Halide, about professions, LW is the largest stamina gain, and BS is the largest haste gain, so the two together are pretty good. I have a blog post that summarizes profession bonuses, if you're interested.

About Eternal Flame, I usually use it preventatively as a cooldown with at least 80% or more vengeance and 3 or more Bastion of Glory. The initial heal is pretty big, so it's also something I like to use. I'll sometimes maintain 5 stacks of Bastion while pooling Holy Power, then use Eternal Flame to heal myself up after a spike I know is coming.

@Klaundandus, your Flex gear is high enough of an ilevel upgrade that the difference between the set bonuses is fairly irrelevant. Go with the upgrades.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 2:18 pm

Kal wrote:@Klaundandus, your Flex gear is high enough of an ilevel upgrade that the difference between the set bonuses is fairly irrelevant. Go with the upgrades.


Should have mentioned it's actually for this toon
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:13 am

Was curious on other people's thoughts on the effectiveness of the T15 4pc in 10H so far? I've been pretty adamant in keeping the 4pc until I can swap it directly for 4pc 16, but on further analysis, keeping the 15 4pc has prevented me from using various upgrades I've gotten, as I was always overflowing in hit that I wouldn't be able to get rid of.

Looked at logs and while my DP usage probably lacks on some of the easier stuff, I noticed the 4pc generates an average of ~7-15 hp/fight, with some of the harder hitting ones (Malkorok for example) getting 22 hp.


Do the bosses hit hard enough in peoples minds to warrant keeping it for 10H (as 25H hits much much harder)? Or is it better to use some decent off-set items? The overall ilvl difference in 4pc vs new gear is +6-7 ilvls, ~5% haste, ~5% mastery, 30k+ hp, and various others.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby chace86 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:51 pm

Xfighter wrote:Was curious on other people's thoughts on the effectiveness of the T15 4pc in 10H so far? I've been pretty adamant in keeping the 4pc until I can swap it directly for 4pc 16, but on further analysis, keeping the 15 4pc has prevented me from using various upgrades I've gotten, as I was always overflowing in hit that I wouldn't be able to get rid of.

Looked at logs and while my DP usage probably lacks on some of the easier stuff, I noticed the 4pc generates an average of ~7-15 hp/fight, with some of the harder hitting ones (Malkorok for example) getting 22 hp.


Do the bosses hit hard enough in peoples minds to warrant keeping it for 10H (as 25H hits much much harder)? Or is it better to use some decent off-set items? The overall ilvl difference in 4pc vs new gear is +6-7 ilvls, ~5% haste, ~5% mastery, 30k+ hp, and various others.


This is coming from 25H, but I did tank 10H in ToT for part of that tier. In 10 man, gear is more limited and you may have other classes who share your tier token with stronger set bonuses. If I were you, I would either wait for T16 4 piece, or when you have THREE well itemized offset items to switch out of T15. And when I say well itemized, I mean at least Heroic and ideal secondary stats. No Parry or Dodge. As you stated, T15 is still generating a decent amount of Holy Power even with the nerf. It is more effective on the hard hitting bosses, when we really need the Holy Power. The 2 piece is also effective, giving you more block after you use an Eternal Flame. I'm still using it, and letting other classes who share my tier get their T16 set before I even consider it.

This is also coming from someone who thinks that the T16 4-piece is pretty weak, the 2-piece is garbage, and will probably aim for well itemized offset pieces, forgetting tier altogether. After people start taking it for offset, I will probably pick it up and give it a try.

I will not be equipping upgrades either until I have enough well itemized offset pieces to make the transition.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Wed Oct 16, 2013 12:12 am

Thanks for the reply! Tested out running without 4pc T15 for part of our farm kills, as well as the first few heroic farm kills, and overall don't notice a HUGE difference, but I can still feel the loss of it a little bit. Especially after getting heroic CDR trinket off our malkorok kill last week. Most likely going back to 4pc tomorrow night for general+malk and up, as they hit harder (esp solo soaking blood rages).


And yea, my 10-man has 2 warlocks, 2 priests, and me in the "CORE", and a holy pally who is beginning to be more in our core, and we just finished grabbed the 4 DPS their 4pcs first, before I took a single T16 token. So I'm most likely up next on getting them, so will probably make the 4pc -> 4pc swap once I get them. Unless I get some nice heroic offset items, but most of those come later on in the instance anyways.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Frusend » Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:17 pm

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Good afternoon,

Trying to conduct research to better myself as the main tank for our raid and have been constantly reviewing the theory craft threads. Has the battle healer glyph become outdated and if so what are typical tanks replacing it with? Also if even has time critique on my build would be much appreciated. Currently pursuing a control/haste with a emphasis on stacking stam as well. My logs show a lousy up time of ~30% however has it become so nerfed that most individuals are choosing EF? As well as tier 6 I understand that the dilemma is now picking between the two hammers rather than HP. Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Wed Oct 16, 2013 4:29 pm

Yes, battle healer is very bad now: you can read the discussion in Theck's talent guide thread on this site. Personally, I've switched to the WoG glyph based on Wrathblood's calculation of its dps. (I use focused shield for single target too). You probably should switch to EF from SS: it's just a lot more throughput.

Otherwise, your build looks solid to me. (I've gone pure haste gems mostly but have a stamina trinket.)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:39 pm

quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:46 pm

Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby keesdel » Thu Oct 17, 2013 10:31 pm

This is the first posting here
I am in need of some help..I always seem to keep dieing on Norushen when I go into the other realm...I am getting the interupts and moving out of the titanic smash..but the dot it pops on me I dont know if I just dont have enough stam in my gear..and forget about getting an offhand in that raid either ..spent 4 tokens on bosses this week trying to get one

http://armorylite.com/us/drenden/Grandkeesdel

if there is anything that I can do to help with that please feel free to let me know..I hate to have to be brezed in the fight

Thanks in advance
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Extermi » Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:37 am

Xfighter wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.


Actually a bit "unfair" in that it lowers CD on AW but not on HA - I really did prefer HA and still like the playstyle. But now that I got the trinket, a 2.5 min AW with SW talented is really looking strong(er). Any thoughts here if this shifts talent choices from HA to SW ? (Considering you, like me, dont like DP as the build-up time before the first EF ticks just feels way to loooooong)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:02 am

HA is still as strong as it was.

also it still is more Burst reduce and easier HoPo management o a stil lower CD then AW with SW even with the trinket.

the reason why HA is not affected, is because it would have become TO strong.the ilvl 580 version has 25% reduction so this would mean that HA is on a 90s CD.

you gain > 30s of SoTR coverage with HA. so you basically have > 30 sec shieldwall every minute.

no really balance. and Blizzard saw this as well. that's why HA is not affected.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Xfighter » Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:11 am

Extermi wrote:
Xfighter wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:quick question, what abilites does the Vial of Living Corruption affect?

DP, AD, GoAK, AW, DS, HoP.


Actually a bit "unfair" in that it lowers CD on AW but not on HA - I really did prefer HA and still like the playstyle. But now that I got the trinket, a 2.5 min AW with SW talented is really looking strong(er). Any thoughts here if this shifts talent choices from HA to SW ? (Considering you, like me, dont like DP as the build-up time before the first EF ticks just feels way to loooooong)

It might move it closer, yea. But its still a long CD, and the benefit to HA is you generally want it more often as a "CD", and the 2 mins for most uses of it I've found to be about right in terms of timing.

I'm personally a big fan of running DP over either of the others, so much that when running HA it feels weird for me, but HA does have its uses for me on some fights. (Swapped to DP around heroic horridon so ~a month after ToT) and have only changed to HA for some specific fights. In SoO, the only time I really found myself rocking HA has been on Heroic IronJug for blanket EFs in p2, heroic Malkorok (solo soaking rages), and random Thok kills to help with EFs to stay in p1 longer (mostly earlier kills when DPS lacked).



With the trinket though, I'm sure all are pretty comparable in terms of HP/Min, with SW maybe pulling a bit ahead of HA, and DP being more random (sometimes wayy better, sometimes equal, sometimes worse) - but simming yourself with each using the trinket would be able to give you more concrete evidence of benefits.



Schroom wrote:HA is still as strong as it was.
no really balance. and Blizzard saw this as well. that's why HA is not affected.

Also they stated that they stayed away from effecting talents, as the talents in general (for all specs) aren't balanced around the trinket, and it would make that talent the 100% right choice for most classes, which goes against the whole concept of MoP talents.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby kamidak » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:03 am

how a pally can "soak" the p2 from heroic malkorok(25)? like... pop all cd's and some others external?
And 3m CD back for next p2 :?:
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:14 am

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Could use a quick audit, Ignore the Xuen cloak, I raid with the Nizuao clock on progression stuff.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lid » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:59 pm

kamidak wrote:how a pally can "soak" the p2 from heroic malkorok(25)? like... pop all cd's and some others external?
And 3m CD back for next p2 :?:


Pretty much, you want to stagger your cooldowns and externals to cover the 20 seconds of the phase. It's made better if you have Rook's Unlucky Talisman, since that works on Blood Rage. You can only really soak the second one if you have a good enough Vial of Living Corruption. The next blood rage is in 2 minutes 50 seconds, and your cooldowns will be slightly off if you don't have that cooldown reduction trinket.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:01 am

yep or really plan your cooldowns so you only have to use them once. or do enough DPS to kill the Boss before the seoncd BR ^^

take a look @ the Raid discussions here on maintankadin. there are threads for 25 and 10m HM Malkorok
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