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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:33 am

Thels wrote:There are two reasons why it doesn't work completely:

1) You already have haste on a lot of pieces. You can't reforge stats to haste, but you can reforge stats to hit/expertise on those slots. If you need less hit/expertise from reforges, then it means it'll reforge those stats towards Mastery, rather than Haste.

2) AskMrRobot often plainly just calculates wrong.


1) Right, that's what I was getting at, just wasn't aware that I was at the point where I was getting some sub optimal reforges (sub optimal is probably a bad term... I'm just not getting as much haste and getting more avoidance but at these haste/gear levels that's not really "sub optimal"). Ignorance is bliss, although like I said I still think it's a worthwhile trade considering the benefit of haste after reaching GCD haste cap is marginaly worse than prior to reaching 1 second GCDs.

2) Sure it does, but I did it all manually. I should have added that those are approximate values since I had to fiddle with some hit and expertise and didn't wind up at the exact same values with both gemming strats. It was more or less just a quick check for reference.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:38 am

Gab wrote:Ignorance is bliss, although like I said I still think it's a worthwhile trade considering the benefit of haste after reaching GCD haste cap is marginaly worse than prior to reaching 1 second GCDs.


Actually, aren't you quite a bit away from 1 second GCDs? You armory shows you at 30.12% Melee Haste, and while I'm guessing you recently got new shoulders who still need gemming, and might have a second Haste trinket, I doubt that'll tilt you all the way to 50% Melee Haste...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:54 am

1.3*1.05*1.1 = 1.5015

Raid buffed with spell haste and SoI spell haste

I think I'm calculating correctly?

Edit: Yeah you're correct. SoB reduces GCD with melee haste, not spell haste... oops.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:32 am

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:10 am

Ji'Kuns is best used as the disenchanted Sha Crystal and haunting spirit to enchant your weapon with Dancing Steel and build some almost BiS boots.

The proc is so shite, you are basically using a trinket slot for 1200 expertise. You're better off sticking a Ghost Iron Dragonling in the slot (it gives you 1800 stat points instead of 1200)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:14 am

So i am better off using the one with the str proc?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:24 am

I don't consider the trinket as bad as Fetzie does it. Given, it's not a huge heal, but it can be just that tidbid neccesary.

However, I normally run the Strength trinket (from Valor points), and keep Rising Wind in my back. If I suddenly need to switch to maximum survivability, I equip Rising Wind (together with the Stamina trinket from Lei Shen). The reason is not because Rising Wind is the (second)best, but because it also provides expertise, so I can swap the valor trinket in for Rising Wind and still be Expertise capped.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:32 am

Wish i could get the leishen trinket, he hates me.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:44 am

Wish I could get the Horridon trinket...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Promdates » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:50 am

Klaudandus wrote:So i am better off using the one with the str proc?


If you're looking to get the most dps out of your trinkets, then you're going to want Spark of Zandalari and Fabled Feathers of Ji'Kun. Which FFoJK has a lot of hit, it provides a lot of dps. The only other trinket I would consider for dps would be the 522 valor expertise one. As of now, I haven't found a need for anything other than dps trinkets while doing 25H fights.

Be warned though, the LFR versions of them have very mediocre proc rates.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenrìr » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:58 am

Klaudandus wrote:Wish i could get the leishen trinket, he hates me.




heh, you and me both, Klaud.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:34 am

Fenrìr wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:Wish i could get the leishen trinket, he hates me.


heh, you and me both, Klaud.


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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cptasparagus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:49 am

This is going to sound really stupid, and I know. Just a thought, I got an Inscribed Bag of Hydra Spawn on Magera for my holy set, is it viable at all for tanking? You can reforge the spirit to haste and the bubble procs on WoG....

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:05 am

Unless the absorb scales with spell power (which I'm sure it doesn't) it isn't that useful. How often do you actually use WoG?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:06 am

Unless the bubble procs very regularly from SoI heals I wouldn't use it over almost any of the tank or dps trinkets from this tier or last or some of the good blue trinkets for that matter.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cptasparagus » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:17 am

I tend to WoG spam idk, i have no idea what the uptime is in a normal fight, but on the doll its never down for more than 15 seconds (I can't get it to refresh, it only procs when the bubble isnt up).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Tue Jun 25, 2013 6:39 am

Hmmm, when you say you WoG spam how often do you mean?
It's almost always more effective to use holy power for SotR and save WoG for the times where you might die before your healers have chance to cast a heal.
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Stam or Haste in 10 man?

Postby Kal » Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:51 pm

My Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/proudmoore/Kallahan/advanced
Latest log: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-842ownmrmw336rot/

Some quick background: I just started with a 10man that is working on Iron Qon, and though I'm definitely playing catch-up in gear and experience, it might work out well. Previously, I had tried a few teams that would get to Elegon and fall apart, or wipe on Horridon 4 times and quit. These guys are on their game and not quitters, the DPS is great, so wish me luck!

My Questions:

How much is "enough" health? I have a little over 800k buffed, and it feels comfortable, though I haven't checked the logs yet. The only thing I can say gave me real trouble was bats on Tortos hitting me with Drain the Weak. Otherwise, I'm not dying much. I'm open to reducing my effective health to get better DPS and more SotR, but I'm new to content past Horridon, so I don't know what way to go.

As for trinkets, I have Brutal Talisman (upgraded) in my bags. If I don't need so much health even after swapping gems and enchants to secondary stats, is this trinket good enough to swap out one of my Stam trinkets)?

Also, if there's any glaring mistakes anyone sees, I'd like to hear it.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:14 am

I have just over 800k life buffed w/o shaman health increase for 25H and I'm never really in any danger of dying.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Worldie » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:42 am

Our tanks in 25 hc (at lei shen closing to a kill now) run with 700ishk buffed and it's plenty.
The paladin however has so much haste his Mass Ress only has 5.5 seconds cast time!
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Re: Stam or Haste in 10 man?

Postby Schroom » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:17 pm

Kal wrote:My Questions:
How much is "enough" health?



are you dying a lot? do you self make a lot of errors? (CD timing, SoTR timing etc.), do your healers make mistakes and have a lot of trouble keeping you alive? is one of those answered with a "yes", you probably need more stamina.

Are all of those 3 points answered with a "no" -> enough HP
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:51 pm

Worldie wrote:Our tanks in 25 hc (at lei shen closing to a kill now) run with 700ishk buffed and it's plenty.
The paladin however has so much haste his Mass Ress only has 5.5 seconds cast time!

I guess it is better to over-estimate the incoming damage from a new boss than to under-estimate.

I'm using the Lei Shen stamina trinket because I have so much hit natively on my gear that I have no real benefit from equipping the Ji'kun feather trinket other than the strength proc :/
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Tankznspankz » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:20 am

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/g ... nkz/simple

looking for general improvements besides "get better gear"
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:38 am

First, give us links in english, verdomme! Nah, just kidding.

There's nothing wrong honestly. Remember to re-enchant your new axe, though ;-)

A couples thoughts, just to jump-start you own thought processes.

Have you considered asking for the crafted boots? The Haste/Mastery ones are really kickass and will tide you over until Twins or Ra-Den deign you with some TF boots.

Considering the damage curve of the bosses that are left on progression, wouldn't you be better off trying to grab some more tier? The 4pc bonus is apparently extremely strong on H content, and I'm seriously considering grabbing it back myself. It's apparently set to be even stronger while we start off T16, with US being a flat -50% CD.

The choices of JC gems is open to discussion, as the Stam gems are better itemized, but there's indeed a case to be made to run for more haste via expertise gems.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:44 am

You might want to replace "de" with "en" and "simple" with "advanced" when you link your character:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/g ... z/advanced

You have 540 ilvl, but only 521 equipped. Your offspec is Retribution. I'm guessing that you have several retribution items that are much higher ilvl than the items you currently have equipped. Could you post the high ilvl items that you got? The Stamina+Armor alone might make them worthwhile to equip, and then the stats that are good for Ret are decent for Prot.
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