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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:04 am
by Sagara
Opinions time! My profile is in the sig. Basically, I had the tier legs from the Sha for a while, but had chosen to use my LFR helm/chest for the 2PC because I had the *very* superior legs from Vizier.

But, I just got the LFR tier shoulders last night, which means I could replace the legs from Vizier and shoulders from Ta'yak for the numerically inferior LFR shoulders and Normal Legs for the 4pc. So the basic question is - is the set bonus really worth losing 2k stam? I'm far from convinced...

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:27 am
by Fetzie
I'm far from convinced that it is worth going for 4set even if you have all the heroic pieces upgraded to 517.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:39 am
by Lastwolf
the cooldown reduction in AD by a minute is pretty valuable.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:43 am
by Fetzie
Lastwolf wrote:the reduction in DP by a minute is pretty valuable.


It is Ardent Defender that is reduced by the 2 set, and in which situations is it valuable? You still can't really use it in a cooldown rotation because it has a 2 minute CD and is only a 20% CD (you get DP every ~40 seconds and it is a 20% cooldown), and how often do you think the cheat death actually does something?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:46 am
by Lastwolf
yeah, I corrected my error, just not fast enough.

The cheat death function is very rarely used, mechanics are often altered these days to no, you die regardless of AD, which is a really annoying.

But it's still a useful ability, you saying you never use it ?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:23 am
by Fetzie
I use AD when I need it, but I can't remember the last time I was wishing it only had a 2 minute cooldown instead of 3.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:39 pm
by protadinXX
Hey guys, long time member, first post. Looking for advice, as I have a bunch of purchases coming up in the next few weeks.

To start, here's my char: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/l ... n/advanced

I'm starting up non-LFR raiding this week with MSV/HOF, but will continue with LFR, obviously. I'm following Noxxic's stat priority here, so if that's a bad idea, please let me know:

Control + Threat
Stamina > Melee Hit (7.5%) > Expertise (15%) > Haste > Mastery > Parry > Dodge

I'm going to just assume I won't get any loot from raiding and focus on what I know I can get. That way, I can chop things off the list if I do get those slots from raiding.

Blue gear needed to replace ASAP, in order of need from highest to lowest:

Helm > Belt > Cloak > Ring > Bracers

My plan for replacements:

Helm: [Yi's Least Favorite Helmet]
Belt: [Immovable Waistplate]
Cloak: [Yi's Cloak of Courage]
Ring: [Alani's Inflexible Ring]
Bracers: [Battle Shadow Bracers]

I mean, those really seem to be the best I can get from vendors, so I don't know that there's much to discuss there. If anyone has suggestions for anything to change or a different order to plan to purchase those items in, I'm all ears. What I'll plan on doing, though, is using my extra rolls on the next item lower on the list from the item I'll be able to buy that week.

Thanks for your time guys, have a great week!

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:41 pm
by Klaudandus
One quick upgrade that should be easy to get, 450 Helm from the AH =P

Perhaps, my biggest concern is the amount of dodge/parry gems you have in your gear

And if you finish the klaxxi's questline, you should get a free 489 Ring, which is close to BiS for someone doing normals, and the golden lotus one gives you a free neck.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:04 pm
by protadinXX
Thanks, Klaudandus. I just found that klaxxi ring, myself. I'm not far from exalted and have all the guys summoned, so I should be able to get that ring this week, knocking that one off the list. I'm pretty far from GL exalted, but I have commendation, so I'll keep working on that and should be a good upgrade.

Thanks again.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:01 am
by econ21
Klaudandus wrote:One quick upgrade that should be easy to get, 450 Helm from the AH =P


I usually go for Honour helms as the quickest failsafe way to get a meta-gem. You get about 900 honour for your first victory at Tol Barad with the weekly quest and a lot for other victories.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:24 am
by Klaudandus
econ21 wrote:
Klaudandus wrote:One quick upgrade that should be easy to get, 450 Helm from the AH =P


I usually go for Honour helms as the quickest failsafe way to get a meta-gem. You get about 900 honour for your first victory at Tol Barad with the weekly quest and a lot for other victories.


Hadn't thought of that =P

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:40 pm
by Klaudandus
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... dus/simple

I can either buy http://www.wowhead.com/item=93264 or purchase 3 VP upgrades to my gear -- what do I do?

And if I go for the VP ugprades -- which upgrades?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:40 pm
by Fetzie
Klaudandus wrote:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/feathermoon/Klaudandus/simple

I can either buy http://www.wowhead.com/item=93264 or purchase 3 VP upgrades to my gear -- what do I do?

And if I go for the VP ugprades -- which upgrades?

I'd hold off on the boots, another two bosses and you can loot http://www.wowhead.com/item=86201

Out of the items you currently have equipped, I would upgrade the chest. With the boost to your hit and expertise you should be able to swap a hit/haste gem for a stamina/haste (or a pure stamina gem if you don't mind losing the STR socket bonus).

You could always buy the stamina trinket from the ShadoPan for 1750 VP.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:10 pm
by Klaudandus
the problem is that we are still stuck on garalon =/

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:08 am
by Sagara
Garalon is pure technique and will go down soon enough. Don't spend VP on anything else but upgrades. BTW, is there ANYTHING non-heroic that can beat your belt? Because that's be a safe long-term, if somewhat non-optimal short-term, bet.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:36 am
by Fetzie
Sagara wrote:Garalon is pure technique and will go down soon enough. Don't spend VP on anything else but upgrades. BTW, is there ANYTHING non-heroic that can beat your belt? Because that's be a safe long-term, if somewhat non-optimal short-term, bet.


The belt from the first boss in HoF has 858 Expertise Rating (without a 320 gem in the prismatic) before upgrading, I'd prefer that one to Klaud's. The second boss in HoF drops a belt with Mastery and Haste Rating and two sockets.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:59 am
by Sagara
Got the Expertise belt off Imperial Vizier, and I'm really wondering if the ease to reach the EXP cap would offset the loss in pure stats.
Although, the EXP cap isn't reached yet. Like I said, it's long term vs the short term of easier exp cap reaching.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:09 am
by Klaudandus

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:10 am
by theckhd
Save your VP and upgrade the belt, IMO. Your boots are sad, but you'll replace them soon enough.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:38 am
by Klaudandus
spend the vp upgrading the heroic belt then?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:44 am
by Sagara
Sounds like a smart move. We got any data on the ilvl of Thunder Throne epics? If it's anywhere around 515, you could probably stick with the upgraded Belt until heroic T15.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:53 am
by Gab
Gab wrote:Not sure where you're at with rep but I'd strongly reccomend that instead of upgrades you grab the liquid courage trinket from SP.


I'm going to go ahead and suggest it again... Liquid Courage IMO. Best purchase I have made so far this expansion and quite possibly the coolest name for a trinket ever. A trinket with a controlable, and awesome, on-use vs a crap proc and ilvl 471 to 489 >>>>> Upgrading an item 8 ilvls.

Although in my gear list that belt is BiS so you should upgrade that too, after purchasing the trinket of course.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:16 pm
by Jadhzia
Hello,

At the moment here is my character: Mr. Robot and armory.

I'm wondering where to spend my valor points. ;) As for reputation items, the belt and ring from Domination Offensive seem to be very small gains, so I should probably stick to upgrading what I have.

- I have no access to heroic gear, as my guild sticks to 10-man normal mode, where our progress is slow.
- I have the raid finder chest token, but didn't use it since it's so inferior to my current chest piece. I have no other T14 item.
- Should I first finish upgrading my chest item, since it has both hit and expertise? Then procede with Kilrak?

Thanks for any input.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:24 am
by econ21
Jadhzia wrote:As for reputation items, the belt and ring from Domination Offensive seem to be very small gains, so I should probably stick to upgrading what I have.


I bought the belt. You have a very well itemised LFR belt, but even so, if you use the control/haste weighting scheme for AMR, it would be an upgrade of about 1000 points for you. Not stellar, but not "very small" either. The ring, I agree with you, the upgrade seems small.

Personally, I'm not sure about spending VPs on the upgrade system until the picture for 5.2 becomes clearer (will VPs be reset? will new VP gear be accessible to "behind the curve" raiders?) so I am probably going to hoard VPs until I reach the 3000 cap. You could upgrade the chest, as it is very well itemised and you have already partially upgraded it. On the other hand, you'll probably want to swap for the 4pc bonus if you get it or indeed for T15. Nothing lasts forever, though, so I would not be too deterred by that. (You've been very unlucky to just have one tier piece - have you been running the Sha world boss every week?)

Upgrading a weapon seems less of priority for us than most specs, if you read what Theck wrote on his Sacred Duty blog about VP upgrades.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:43 am
by Klaudandus
Jadhzia wrote:Hello,

At the moment here is my character: Mr. Robot and armory.

I'm wondering where to spend my valor points. ;) As for reputation items, the belt and ring from Domination Offensive seem to be very small gains, so I should probably stick to upgrading what I have.

- I have no access to heroic gear, as my guild sticks to 10-man normal mode, where our progress is slow.
- I have the raid finder chest token, but didn't use it since it's so inferior to my current chest piece. I have no other T14 item.
- Should I first finish upgrading my chest item, since it has both hit and expertise? Then procede with Kilrak?

Thanks for any input.


Any luck with sha? In my two tanks, i was able to get the t14 gloves and legs prolly within 6 resets.