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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:17 pm
by Harb
Hi All,

Below is my current tank gear and spec. Now i am concerned about the threat gen that i am producing. I seem to hold off on the initial pull i generally pull with Avenging wrath, ss, judgement/Avengers shield, CS, Cons and then i i tend to lose threat really quick but if i taunt back i can hold it.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/p ... u/advanced

I am thinking of going from control/mastery to control haste would this help?

Thanks in advance.

Harb

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:28 am
by econ21
Harb wrote:i tend to lose threat really quick but if i taunt back i can hold it.
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I am thinking of going from control/mastery to control haste would this help?


Haste does give more dps, although at your gear level (which is similar to mine), I doubt it would be a game changer. In fact, I doubt it's a gear issue at all - maybe your dps just need to hold back a bit more on the pull?

If you do want to adjust your gear, getting to expertise cap (15%) would help. It would probably require using some expertise gems. You could compensate by switching your dodge trinket for the DMF stamina trinket.

You could think about switching the glyph of dazing shield for arbalester shield or even focused shield. (I avoid the latter because unglyphed AS is so good for trash, but there's a strong case for switching to it on most raid bosses).

If threat on the pull is really an issue, you could open with holy avenger (I've macro'd it to avenging wrath).

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:03 pm
by Ardrhyst
I'm feeling somewhat lacking direction in what stat I should be prioritizing at this point, be it mastery or stamina.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... yst/simple

I've been attempting to hit caps on hit and expertise pretty hard, and am just about there. I've been using mastery as my secondary stat for gemming, but I'm not feeling whether that's paying off. We were doing Will of the Emperor 10 normal on Thursday and I had a couple of tank deaths. There were certainly healer complications, but I was dying to strings of four or five unmitigated hits.

The gear is a work in progress, certainly, but the ultimate question is whether I would be better off jumping on the stamina train or the mastery train now that I'm hit/exp capped. My guild's fairly casual 10 normal, and in the past I've eschewed some stamina stacking because it didn't feel necessary for normals... but now I'm just not sure anymore.

Suggestions on where to go from here?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:39 pm
by econ21
I'm up in the air on the issue of how much stamina to stack - it does not seem to be an issue where there is a clear right answer. You might pick up one or two stamina trinkets. Stamina from gems is twice as costly in terms of foregone ratings as stamina from trinkets. Plus trinkets are easier to swop around than regemming. The VP stamina trinket is a solid purchase and the Darkmoon Faire stamina card seems to be one of the cheaper ones (10k on my backwoods server, compared to 30k for dps trinkets).

Personally, I've decided to go haste rather than mastery, because of the dps and it seems better at stopping the worst damage spikes. But I've followed Theck/AskMrRobot's priorisation of stamina for gems, which means I have precious little haste after hitting expertise and hit caps. I might switch priority to haste if I could ever hit the 30% break point or feel the stamina is unnecessary.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:58 am
by Fenrìr
This is always a discussion every teir / expac. But there really is no magic number for how much stam you ~should~ have. It's just the point where you feel comfortable, your healers are comfortable and you dying is not the cause of a wipe (IE: not the first to bite the dust).

I sit with just under 600k and I have both hit and hard exp caps with around 6700 haste rating. I think I just put in my first hybrid stam gem cause I didn't need the haste/hit one. The only issues where my health have been a concern is when we're pushing new content and the healers aren't ready for the damage intake. But after a few attempts, they know what to expect, I know what to expect and we move from there.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:28 pm
by Skyfyr
Thinking my post got kinda lost since its a page or two behind. Would appreciate it if someone could take a quick look and see if my toon is heading in the right direction and also some gear advice on the questions I had. Thanks again. Will try and remember to log out in prot gear after dailies.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:35 pm
by Klaudandus
Skyfyr wrote:Thinking my post got kinda lost since its a page or two behind. Would appreciate it if someone could take a quick look and see if my toon is heading in the right direction and also some gear advice on the questions I had. Thanks again. Will try and remember to log out in prot gear after dailies.


Any reason why you're going with a mastery serpent eye?
I use my serpent eye's for stamina tbh, but that's just me -- are you comfortable with your stamina? Also, you seem to not be able to decide whether you going for control mastery or control haste. Stick with one... and also lack of enchants, that's what I noticed.

There are other guys that are btter than me at judging gear though.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:02 pm
by Skyfyr
I am using two stam serpents eyes. And yes, with those two gems, plus two stam trinkets and also being an alchemist, I am very comfortable with my stamina. As for enchants, which ones am I missing?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:06 pm
by Klaudandus
Skyfyr wrote:I am using two stam serpents eyes. And yes, with those two gems, plus two stam trinkets and also being an alchemist, I am very comfortable with my stamina. As for enchants, which ones am I missing?


My bad, was looking at a cached version of your profile on askmrrobot

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:24 pm
by Harb
Thanks for that Econ1,

I have used aksmrrobot and selected control/haste and picked up some gear reforged and gems in have to change my glyphs tonight and will give that a shot.

threat was better but still able to be ripped from me.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 9:39 am
by Klaudandus
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... dus/simple

What items should I upgrade next with VP; I should be close to 3k by the weekend, so I can upgrade 2 items to full.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:01 am
by Gab
Klaudandus wrote:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/feathermoon/Klaudandus/simple

What items should I upgrade next with VP; I should be close to 3k by the weekend, so I can upgrade 2 items to full.


Not sure where you're at with rep but I'd strongly reccomend that instead of upgrades you grab the liquid courage trinket from SP.

Based on your progression, and if you aren't bothering with rep, I'd suggest upgrading your shield. It will give a considerable amount of armor and the only possible upgrade is the heroic version. You might want to hold off on other upgrades to see what loot you get in the next couple of weeks.

Edit: Or your Relic, it's arguably BiS.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:14 am
by Klaudandus
my stam feels ok -- when we wipe is not due to tank death, is mostly because our dps have been standing on the wrong stuff... or the healer ran out of mana cuz they spent it filling up the wrong bars. =P

That's the only reason why I have been holding on the Lao-chi liquid courage trinket, that and I'm still hoping for the BoE trinket from MSV, the other tank won the one that drop.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 10:29 am
by Gab
Klaudandus wrote:my stam feels ok -- when we wipe is not due to tank death, is mostly because our dps have been standing on the wrong stuff... or the healer ran out of mana cuz they spent it filling up the wrong bars. =P

That's the only reason why I have been holding on the Lao-chi liquid courage trinket, that and I'm still hoping for the BoE trinket from MSV, the other tank won the one that drop.


If you take less damage (the on use) or your damage is easier to heal (a lot more static EH) then the healers might be able to save some of those DPS who aren't standing where they should be.

Also the on use mastery is insanely good for Wind Lord, Grand Empress and Sha and it certainly doesn't hurt for some of the other encounters you're about to be working on.

I think I read somewhere that the two stam trinkets don't "share" a cd but I can't seem to find where atm... If that's the case then having both wouldn't be a bad thing.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:19 pm
by dannydin
hi i'm currently raiding 10man normal content hence the lack off stam. just wanting someone to check if i'm doing things right. So far i'm trying to stay expertise capped and hit capped then stacking mastery, would it be worthwhile reforging and gaming into haste instead off mastery?
my dps always seems low compared to other tank classes and i'm wondering what i can do to improve it or is pally tank dps generally lower than say dk's or monks?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to have a look for me.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Dannydin/simple

http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/109187/

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:39 am
by Nooska
As a RL in a 10 man, with a paladin tank (and currently tanking myself), I'd say yes, going for haste instead of mastery is definately wortwhile from the dps boost alone - the tanks are 20-25% of the damaging people in a 10 man as opposed to 12% in a 25 man, so the tanks dps matter smore in 10 man, and can actually be key to getting bosses down (especially as the tank will often be the only melee that doesn't have to worry about stuff on the floor)

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:11 am
by Klaudandus
What is better?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86906 -- with the 500 str?

or

http://www.wowhead.com/item=86863 -- with a stam gem?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:15 am
by Jadhzia
Klaudandus wrote:What is better?
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86906 -- with the 500 str?

or

http://www.wowhead.com/item=86863 -- with a stam gem?


I'm not that far into the quest, but I understand that you will be able to add a gem slot to your sha-touched weapon. So this one will be better in the long run.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:19 am
by Klaudandus
Well, I currently have both weapons, and it's not like I will delete it, just wondering which one is better short term.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:39 am
by Sagara
I had a similar probem between a gemmed kil'rak and normal Elegion. The last is better at survival, but the DPS boost from Kil'rak is gignormous. Considering I'm in no threat of dying horribly currently, I've been going with Kil'rak until my environment evolves.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:48 pm
by Ziz
What is better for a paladin, Unyielding Bloodplate http://www.wowhead.com/item=87405 or Ornate Battleplate of the Master http://www.wowhead.com/item=87402?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:17 pm
by Klaudandus
I'd go with the Exp and Mastery, just because of how valuable exp is to us.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:52 am
by Fenris
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/p ... f/advanced

Pants problem,i got the token for http://www.wowhead.com/item=85320

But they are kind of terrible compared to the ones i have on.

On the other side http://www.wowhead.com/item=85340 are kind of better,but taking them i'm left 2 pieces away from the 4-p set bonus instead of 1 (and i'm not sure when i'm going to get chest/shoulder tokens,epgp and rotten luck with drops playing a huge part in it)

So....I'm stuck :?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:22 am
by Klaudandus
yeah, the pants are the weakest tier piece... i guess, get the tier pants and keep them in the bag until you can get another tier piece?

it's what I did when I got the lfr shoulders, didnt equip them until i got my helm

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:23 pm
by Fenris
I'll sit on the token a bit more then...