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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:24 am
by Schroom
you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:50 am
by Thels
Schroom wrote:you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.


Actually, in comparison, you gain more secondary stats per point of stamina by switching your gems around, than by swapping glove enchants.

Gem: Going 240 Stamina to 120 Stamina/160 Expertise gives you 160 Expertise per 120 Stamina or 4:3.

Glove enchant: Going 150 Stamina to 170 Expertise gives you 170 Expertise per 150 Stamina or 3.4:3.

Check the following post, and start at the very bottom to see where you want to swap stamina for expertise (or hit, so you can reforge more expertise):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33197

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:00 am
by Klaudandus
Was thinking of upgrading the gloves next, wutcha think? (Already maxed the T14 pants)
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... dus/simple

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:18 am
by Sagara
Well, the only pieces you probably won't replace are the relic and the gloves (and the pants). The chest is also possible, although the lower ilvl is goddamn frustrating, and you chould probably aim for the tier chest in the end.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:22 am
by Klaudandus
Another piece I dont see replacing any time soon is my neck.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:27 am
by Sagara
Klaudandus wrote:Another piece I dont see replacing any time soon is my neck.


True. Although it's so low on itemization it's not even worth mentionning :-/
Or maybe shank your plate dpsers?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:42 am
by Jadhzia
Hello,

I'm wondering what to buy next with my valor points. As you can see on the armory, I still have some blue pieces (wrist, cloak, trinkets and weapon), but I have my eyes on Dawnblade's Chestguard. After that I would buy the valor trinket.

What do you think? I'm only raiding normal 10 man raids, in which Stamina is probably not as important, so I'm aiming for a mixture of Haste, Mastery and Stamina. My logic is that, with this Hit/Expertise chest piece, I could first modify the dragonling trinket and later replace it with the valor trinket.

Thanks for all advice.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:00 am
by Klaudandus
Jadhzia wrote:Hello,

I'm wondering what to buy next with my valor points. As you can see on the armory, I still have some blue pieces (wrist, cloak, trinkets and weapon), but I have my eyes on Dawnblade's Chestguard. After that I would buy the valor trinket.

What do you think? I'm only raiding normal 10 man raids, in which Stamina is probably not as important, so I'm aiming for a mixture of Haste, Mastery and Stamina. My logic is that, with this Hit/Expertise chest piece, I could first modify the dragonling trinket and later replace it with the valor trinket.

Thanks for all advice.


That is the reason why i got that piece

Also, not sure how much gold you have but check the ah for the relic of nizuao trinket. I got mine for less than 10k, that way you can use that one instead of buying the vp one... And get the stam trinket from heroics... Cant remember its name but its on my armory

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:19 am
by Thels
If you still have blues, the first order of business is probably to upgrade any Terri of your blue pieces with justice points.

That makes me wonder how fast one can earn those. I still have three slots with blues, so I need to farm 500 points.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:35 am
by samsara
Thels wrote:
Schroom wrote:you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.


Actually, in comparison, you gain more secondary stats per point of stamina by switching your gems around, than by swapping glove enchants.

Gem: Going 240 Stamina to 120 Stamina/160 Expertise gives you 160 Expertise per 120 Stamina or 4:3.

Glove enchant: Going 150 Stamina to 170 Expertise gives you 170 Expertise per 150 Stamina or 3.4:3.

Check the following post, and start at the very bottom to see where you want to swap stamina for expertise (or hit, so you can reforge more expertise):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33197


Thanks for the hints torwards the right directions, i will def try this tonight.
I don't think swapping away from colos is that good as it is still a quite good mitigation source. The Stam-Stacking was more or less due to not so good communication on tayak where i sometimes died in taking a 2nd debuffing hit with a little overkill, so i pushed my stam a bit and now i can even survive 2 stacks of it allthough we normaly only taking 1 stack :)

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:32 pm
by pedal2000
Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some feedback on when/if I am ready to make the jump from a mastery build to the haste build. I've been doing some reading on Theck's blog and here and it mentions it would make sense to go to a haste build as long as you had the gear/rotation. I can work on the rotation, wondering where I should go in terms of gearing.

Armory Link

My main concerns with going for a haste build are that it will make me more prone to spike damage (I currently have a Monk OT who is very bad for that), and that it will make gearing more difficult as I run with two plate DPS in my team. Progression wise I am just starting into Regular HoF (2/6).

I am just wondering if it is worth going for haste at lower levels of gear, and if so, should I be trying to roll for Haste items, or should I just make do with a traditional tank gear reforged/gemmed/enchanted for haste where possible?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:08 am
by Sagara
pedal2000 wrote:Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some feedback on when/if I am ready to make the jump from a mastery build to the haste build. I've been doing some reading on Theck's blog and here and it mentions it would make sense to go to a haste build as long as you had the gear/rotation. I can work on the rotation, wondering where I should go in terms of gearing.

Armory Link

My main concerns with going for a haste build are that it will make me more prone to spike damage (I currently have a Monk OT who is very bad for that), and that it will make gearing more difficult as I run with two plate DPS in my team. Progression wise I am just starting into Regular HoF (2/6).

I am just wondering if it is worth going for haste at lower levels of gear, and if so, should I be trying to roll for Haste items, or should I just make do with a traditional tank gear reforged/gemmed/enchanted for haste where possible?


The rotation part is much more important than the gear part. In essence, the point is to not try this without a solid exp/hit basis (which you're almost at). So basically, yeah, go for haste. Don't worry overmuch about spikes - haste will make you learn the "breathing rythm" of bosses (Sha of Fear and Garalon are really nice for that - try and always have a ShotR ready for their Swipes/Trashes)

As far as gearing goes, it depends on the specs you're up with and what you're struggling with. We had trouble with the DPS timers, so I tended to bow out for our dpsers. Warriors and DW DKs tend to hate haste, but Ret pallies and the other DKs should probably take precedence, unless tank survival is a problem

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:44 pm
by pedal2000
Thank you very much for the reply! I'll be giving it a whirl tonight!

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:48 pm
by Skyfyr
Hi all. Looking to get advice and any critique on my gear setup. Currently trying out the Haste setup and was hoping to get a quick look over to see if Im heading in the right direction.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/boulderfist/Nulani/advanced

Also need a bit of advice on possible upgrades. I am planning on getting http://www.wowhead.com/item=93324when I get the valor this week. I think this is my biggest upgrade possible at the moment. Also in LFR this week, I got a Helm Token and was wondering if its worth getting the Prot version as my current helm is of higher ilvl. Also got a http://www.wowhead.com/item=86868 and am I correct in assuming I should use those because of the higher ilvl to my current ones?

I have http://www.wowhead.com/item=85983 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=90594 sitting in my bags and was wondering if I made the correct decision to not use them.

Thanks and looking forward to hearing from yall. Hope Im not too far off.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:05 am
by Schroom
don't forget to help Skyfyr first when reading this ^^

I make it quick.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/86164
or
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/87060

I guess the normal mode one with haste is better, isn't it?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:34 am
by samsara
Skyfyr is in retgear atm in my armory :)

@schroom

i would probably go for the heroic part without haste in this case but for me personaly it's more depending on the breakpoints so if you be somewhere >=20% you will get the additional tick out of sacred shield. As far i can see you would be with SOI and Raibbuffs (if you have spellhaste).

I tried quite a lot different combinations and most of the time i don't realy "feel" some difference for a few "%" of haste so i just decided to be over the 20% breakpoint for sacred shield as this is somehow something which is allways up and gets even stronger with vengeance.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:30 am
by Schroom
mh ok, could you tell me how to calculate my effective haste with all raid-buffs? so I can check this for myself in the future' :)

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:05 am
by samsara
your armory value + 10% Seal of Insight + 5% Spellhaste Raidbuff ( i don't think the meleehaste have any influence on sacred shield)

Raidbufflist: http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/5 ... patch-504/

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:40 am
by Schroom
yeah that is basically what theck writes in his Blog. But the SS breakpoints are: 10%, 30%, 50% and so on. I don't see anything happening at 20%...

My actual Haste is 6.06 so with 5% spellhaste buf and 10% from SOI this gives me: 1.0606*1.05*1.1=1.224993 resulting in 22.5% Sp-haste if I understood Theck correctly.
so using the Heroic Belt makes me lose roughly 1.1% Haste on the charactersheet which puts me after buffs at: 21.23% Sp-haste. so it really doesn't matter at all for breakbpoints, BUT it maters greatly for meleehaste and HoPo generation I guess which is a complete different kind of monster.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:03 pm
by Nooska
Spellhaste buffs aren't multiplicative, they are additive, they don't increase you haste by 10% (respectively 5%) of what you have, they add 10% (respectively 5%) to your spell haste, so you have an actual 21.06% spell haste with those 2 buffs.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:43 pm
by theckhd
What? No, they're multiplicative. SoI, the raid buff, heroism, and haste from rating are all multiplicative with each other.

Easily tested: 9.03% spell haste w/o SoI, 19.94% with SoI.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:19 am
by Schroom
I was just applying what I read in Thecks Blog. If my math is wrong please tell ^^ nonetheless. I'm still split between the dessision between those two belts... if we are counting the meleehaste in.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:51 am
by Nooska
theckhd wrote:What? No, they're multiplicative. SoI, the raid buff, heroism, and haste from rating are all multiplicative with each other.

Easily tested: 9.03% spell haste w/o SoI, 19.94% with SoI.

My bad, I was confusing the wording of them with the crit, stats and mastery buffs - they do indded "increase your haste by 10%" (5% respectively).

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:12 pm
by Skyfyr
Sorry about the armory. Been a few days and forgot to make sure to log out in Prot set. Should be in the prot gear now. Thanks.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:01 pm
by econ21
Schroom wrote:yeah that is basically what theck writes in his Blog. But the SS breakpoints are: 10%, 30%, 50% and so on. I don't see anything happening at 20%...


Yeah, that was what I took from the blog: at my gear level (487), I don't think I could hit 30% if I want to be hard capped on threat stats. It's a minor nudge towards gemming for stamina rather than haste, something I am very undecided on. (I worked out it is a 5% haste vs 37k buffed health trade off for me.)