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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:55 am

Stubblerump wrote:
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Stubblerump wrote:When I do lfr on my lock, every paladin tank I've seen has been going parry/dodge to include reforging OUT of hit/expertise. What's up with these guys? A different flavor of flat earthers, or is there a legitimate counter school of thought out there? I'm assuming ignorance, but at the same time, they're not stacking mastery like they would if they simply hadn't gotten the word that cata is dead. And they're not just casually being bad about it, they're maxing out gems and enchants to do it as well.


well, they are probably going for the avoidance scheme as per askmrrobot


Ok, fair enough. But spike damage *shudders*.


The thing is that going for hit and expertise before anything else feels counter-intuitive at first glance, and it's something I've been griping about for a while -- that dps gear that has exp/haste is more valuable for us than a piece with dodge/parry; in fact, you could say that in some cases, with two items of the same level, the one that has exp and *crit* is better than the dodge and parry piece -- and it's not something you would know unless you constantly read theck's posts.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:54 am

I disagree. You make it sound like avoidance is useless, which is not true. We simply have better options.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:57 am

I never said it was completely useless -- just said that they made hit/exp and haste too damn good in a counter-intuitive way.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby samsara » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:26 am

Any sugestions how i can make it to the 15% expertise, i'm trying hard but for now the only thing which come's to my mind is to socket pure expertise gems instead of +exp & +stam. But even i would replace those with pures i would be about 1,5% short.

At the moment i feel quite comfortable with not too much dmg spikes incomming and i don't have to call out often for an external cooldown but i prefer to reach my caps :)

http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/nathrezim/Yûko/advanced

I thought i understood the value of exp but when i looked at my logs i could not find any Parries or Dodges from my target, so maybe i'm just a lucky one or i'm realy bad in WoL stuff. For example following log 100% hits (or is exp to avoid glances? )

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6sxq ... 998&e=1449

I'm highly interessted pushing my dps as i'm happy with my survability (also in hc progress nearly never random tank death , at least none where i couldn't say it was a stupidy of myself)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:18 am

samsara wrote:http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/nathrezim/Yûko/advanced


Best replace "de" with "en" to make your character sheet more understandable:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/nathrezim/Yûko/advanced

You really seem to go for Stamina at pretty much the cost of everything else. Combine that with several dodge/parry items that have neither Hit nor Expertise, and it's indeed no surprise that you won't be able to reach the Expertise hardcap.

It's not something you should be overly worried about, though. It's just a bad idea to go Haste before reaching your Hitcap and Expertise hardcap.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:24 am

you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:50 am

Schroom wrote:you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.


Actually, in comparison, you gain more secondary stats per point of stamina by switching your gems around, than by swapping glove enchants.

Gem: Going 240 Stamina to 120 Stamina/160 Expertise gives you 160 Expertise per 120 Stamina or 4:3.

Glove enchant: Going 150 Stamina to 170 Expertise gives you 170 Expertise per 150 Stamina or 3.4:3.

Check the following post, and start at the very bottom to see where you want to swap stamina for expertise (or hit, so you can reforge more expertise):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33197
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:00 am

Was thinking of upgrading the gloves next, wutcha think? (Already maxed the T14 pants)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:18 am

Well, the only pieces you probably won't replace are the relic and the gloves (and the pants). The chest is also possible, although the lower ilvl is goddamn frustrating, and you chould probably aim for the tier chest in the end.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:22 am

Another piece I dont see replacing any time soon is my neck.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:27 am

Klaudandus wrote:Another piece I dont see replacing any time soon is my neck.


True. Although it's so low on itemization it's not even worth mentionning :-/
Or maybe shank your plate dpsers?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Jadhzia » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:42 am

Hello,

I'm wondering what to buy next with my valor points. As you can see on the armory, I still have some blue pieces (wrist, cloak, trinkets and weapon), but I have my eyes on Dawnblade's Chestguard. After that I would buy the valor trinket.

What do you think? I'm only raiding normal 10 man raids, in which Stamina is probably not as important, so I'm aiming for a mixture of Haste, Mastery and Stamina. My logic is that, with this Hit/Expertise chest piece, I could first modify the dragonling trinket and later replace it with the valor trinket.

Thanks for all advice.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:00 am

Jadhzia wrote:Hello,

I'm wondering what to buy next with my valor points. As you can see on the armory, I still have some blue pieces (wrist, cloak, trinkets and weapon), but I have my eyes on Dawnblade's Chestguard. After that I would buy the valor trinket.

What do you think? I'm only raiding normal 10 man raids, in which Stamina is probably not as important, so I'm aiming for a mixture of Haste, Mastery and Stamina. My logic is that, with this Hit/Expertise chest piece, I could first modify the dragonling trinket and later replace it with the valor trinket.

Thanks for all advice.


That is the reason why i got that piece

Also, not sure how much gold you have but check the ah for the relic of nizuao trinket. I got mine for less than 10k, that way you can use that one instead of buying the vp one... And get the stam trinket from heroics... Cant remember its name but its on my armory
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thels » Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:19 am

If you still have blues, the first order of business is probably to upgrade any Terri of your blue pieces with justice points.

That makes me wonder how fast one can earn those. I still have three slots with blues, so I need to farm 500 points.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby samsara » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:35 am

Thels wrote:
Schroom wrote:you could also use the weapons chain for your weapon and the Expertise enchant for your gloves, should be enough to push you to hardcap expertise.


Actually, in comparison, you gain more secondary stats per point of stamina by switching your gems around, than by swapping glove enchants.

Gem: Going 240 Stamina to 120 Stamina/160 Expertise gives you 160 Expertise per 120 Stamina or 4:3.

Glove enchant: Going 150 Stamina to 170 Expertise gives you 170 Expertise per 150 Stamina or 3.4:3.

Check the following post, and start at the very bottom to see where you want to swap stamina for expertise (or hit, so you can reforge more expertise):
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33197


Thanks for the hints torwards the right directions, i will def try this tonight.
I don't think swapping away from colos is that good as it is still a quite good mitigation source. The Stam-Stacking was more or less due to not so good communication on tayak where i sometimes died in taking a 2nd debuffing hit with a little overkill, so i pushed my stam a bit and now i can even survive 2 stacks of it allthough we normaly only taking 1 stack :)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby pedal2000 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:32 pm

Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some feedback on when/if I am ready to make the jump from a mastery build to the haste build. I've been doing some reading on Theck's blog and here and it mentions it would make sense to go to a haste build as long as you had the gear/rotation. I can work on the rotation, wondering where I should go in terms of gearing.

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My main concerns with going for a haste build are that it will make me more prone to spike damage (I currently have a Monk OT who is very bad for that), and that it will make gearing more difficult as I run with two plate DPS in my team. Progression wise I am just starting into Regular HoF (2/6).

I am just wondering if it is worth going for haste at lower levels of gear, and if so, should I be trying to roll for Haste items, or should I just make do with a traditional tank gear reforged/gemmed/enchanted for haste where possible?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:08 am

pedal2000 wrote:Hi All,

I was hoping I could get some feedback on when/if I am ready to make the jump from a mastery build to the haste build. I've been doing some reading on Theck's blog and here and it mentions it would make sense to go to a haste build as long as you had the gear/rotation. I can work on the rotation, wondering where I should go in terms of gearing.

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My main concerns with going for a haste build are that it will make me more prone to spike damage (I currently have a Monk OT who is very bad for that), and that it will make gearing more difficult as I run with two plate DPS in my team. Progression wise I am just starting into Regular HoF (2/6).

I am just wondering if it is worth going for haste at lower levels of gear, and if so, should I be trying to roll for Haste items, or should I just make do with a traditional tank gear reforged/gemmed/enchanted for haste where possible?


The rotation part is much more important than the gear part. In essence, the point is to not try this without a solid exp/hit basis (which you're almost at). So basically, yeah, go for haste. Don't worry overmuch about spikes - haste will make you learn the "breathing rythm" of bosses (Sha of Fear and Garalon are really nice for that - try and always have a ShotR ready for their Swipes/Trashes)

As far as gearing goes, it depends on the specs you're up with and what you're struggling with. We had trouble with the DPS timers, so I tended to bow out for our dpsers. Warriors and DW DKs tend to hate haste, but Ret pallies and the other DKs should probably take precedence, unless tank survival is a problem
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby pedal2000 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:44 pm

Thank you very much for the reply! I'll be giving it a whirl tonight!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Skyfyr » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:48 pm

Hi all. Looking to get advice and any critique on my gear setup. Currently trying out the Haste setup and was hoping to get a quick look over to see if Im heading in the right direction.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/boulderfist/Nulani/advanced

Also need a bit of advice on possible upgrades. I am planning on getting http://www.wowhead.com/item=93324when I get the valor this week. I think this is my biggest upgrade possible at the moment. Also in LFR this week, I got a Helm Token and was wondering if its worth getting the Prot version as my current helm is of higher ilvl. Also got a http://www.wowhead.com/item=86868 and am I correct in assuming I should use those because of the higher ilvl to my current ones?

I have http://www.wowhead.com/item=85983 and http://www.wowhead.com/item=90594 sitting in my bags and was wondering if I made the correct decision to not use them.

Thanks and looking forward to hearing from yall. Hope Im not too far off.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:05 am

don't forget to help Skyfyr first when reading this ^^

I make it quick.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/86164
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http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/item/87060

I guess the normal mode one with haste is better, isn't it?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby samsara » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:34 am

Skyfyr is in retgear atm in my armory :)

@schroom

i would probably go for the heroic part without haste in this case but for me personaly it's more depending on the breakpoints so if you be somewhere >=20% you will get the additional tick out of sacred shield. As far i can see you would be with SOI and Raibbuffs (if you have spellhaste).

I tried quite a lot different combinations and most of the time i don't realy "feel" some difference for a few "%" of haste so i just decided to be over the 20% breakpoint for sacred shield as this is somehow something which is allways up and gets even stronger with vengeance.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:30 am

mh ok, could you tell me how to calculate my effective haste with all raid-buffs? so I can check this for myself in the future' :)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby samsara » Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:05 am

your armory value + 10% Seal of Insight + 5% Spellhaste Raidbuff ( i don't think the meleehaste have any influence on sacred shield)

Raidbufflist: http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/5 ... patch-504/
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:40 am

yeah that is basically what theck writes in his Blog. But the SS breakpoints are: 10%, 30%, 50% and so on. I don't see anything happening at 20%...

My actual Haste is 6.06 so with 5% spellhaste buf and 10% from SOI this gives me: 1.0606*1.05*1.1=1.224993 resulting in 22.5% Sp-haste if I understood Theck correctly.
so using the Heroic Belt makes me lose roughly 1.1% Haste on the charactersheet which puts me after buffs at: 21.23% Sp-haste. so it really doesn't matter at all for breakbpoints, BUT it maters greatly for meleehaste and HoPo generation I guess which is a complete different kind of monster.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:03 pm

Spellhaste buffs aren't multiplicative, they are additive, they don't increase you haste by 10% (respectively 5%) of what you have, they add 10% (respectively 5%) to your spell haste, so you have an actual 21.06% spell haste with those 2 buffs.
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