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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:32 am

I was a few points short of the LFR requirement last night on my warrior alt and so in the end what I did was buy a relic of nuizao to close the gap. As theckhd has argued on this site, stamina is a great tank stat - perhaps especially when you are under-geared.

Another thing to think of, not so much for the ilevel but for power, is buying an honour helm so you can get a meta-gem. You can convert JP to honour and running Tol Barad is often a painless way to get honour (600 a victory).

You really need to gem and enchant though.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:06 am

UFTimmy wrote:
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UFTimmy wrote:I have always been really diligent about clearing stacks during the spark phase, to lower my damage taken.

Is that foolish? Should I be trying to take as much damage as I can, without dying, to increase my DPS?

I don't think that debuff will increase your Vengeance at all (it's calculated before most buff/debuff effects, which is why SotR doesn't reduce your Vengeance taken). So there's no issue with resetting it.


Interesting. So taking an extra breath or two will increase my DPS, but I should still reset stacks as I can. Thanks.

I too have "Bad" trinkets", I had the dodge trinket from Direbrew and the Ghost Iron Dragonling. I got the Relic from the faire, and replaced the dodge trinket from Direbrew. The hit/expertise/haste from the Dragongling seemed too valuable to pass up, even though it's a much lower ilevel. I'm working towards revered with ShadoPan to grab that one, though I haven't done any dailies in a few weeks.


I wouldn't take anymore breaths that is entirely necessary, as a tank your primary job is to hold aggro (which is easy these days) and your secondary job is to not die, the difference in vengeance isn't worth it, even if it did work.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:20 am

The difference in Vengeance is enough to double your DPS while off-tanking (0->40k+ Vengeance), at essentially no risk to you because you're not taking melees at that time. It's certainly enough to consider worthwhile.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fetzie » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:38 am

What doesn't work for generating extra Vengeance is using Hand of Sacrifice on the other tank, probably because it counts as player damage.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Taeron » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:54 am

Is it just me or are the leg/hands tier pieces a bit underwhelming compared to non-tier drops from HoF, seeing as how both pants and gloves that drop in HoF have an extra gem socket.

I'm finding it hard to keep gloves/pants from tier just because of a shorter cooldown on AD and losing like 8k hp in the process...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Knievel » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:14 am

I'm wondering about gearing priorities. The more I have researched what stats are important the more I realized that the absolute lowest priorities for a tank are surprisingly Parry and Dodge (in addition of course to Crit). For example, based on The Honorable Theck's calculations for Expertise and Hit, all of my gear is being reforged, including the parry and dodge.

So my question is simple: For tanking gear, should I be looking first for gear that does not include the Parry and Dodge stats at all?

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:49 am

Knievel wrote:For tanking gear, should I be looking first for gear that does not include the Parry and Dodge stats at all?


That does seem to be the logic of the "control" gearing strategy: using that gearing scheme, in AskMrRobot, parry/dodge are rated 0.25 compared to 1 for haste/mastery and 3 for hit/expertise.

However, parry/dodge are the best stats for reducing your total melee damage, so I would not regard them as bad stats for a tank. They are good. It's just that they are not as good as hit, expertise, haste, mastery, spirit, spell penetration and intellect (sorry, strike those last three :D ).

I personally am rather loathe to turn down a higher ilevel tanking piece for some lower level one that has a better mix of stats (as the higher ilevel comes with more stamina, armour, strength and budget for secondary stats). However, when I get a choice of two pieces of the same ilevel, like the Klaxxi exalted quest ring, I do often avoid the one with avoidance.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:36 am

Opinions on two points! Link is in the sig, with desired stat priority: Hit/Exp -> Haste -> Mastery (and Stam, but that's a given, duh).
We're currently at 4/6 in MGV 10N.

I'll probably buy a new VP piece soonish, and I'm currently considering the DPS Ring - Ring of the Golden Stair (Exp/Crit) to replace Jan-Ho's Unwavering Seal. I should be able to hit the exp and hit hard caps without much trouble with it. I'm also considering the chest (hit/exp) or the legs (exp/dodge), or just pool my VP for item upgrades.

Second point being: Is anyone thinking I'm overshooting on Stam? I don't think I have "too much", but I'd rather have a second opinion.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:09 am

On the 2 pieces you are considering, I'd go with the ring - the chest is more likely to be replaced (and thus "wasted" VP).
On the amount of stam, and looking at your health, I'd say you could be safe to switch out some stam for control stats if you want - you are not low on health from what I've seen so far, and not spiky either - have you actually died without it being a mechanics handling failure (from the raid) or healers dieing so far?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:54 am

Not that I remember. Even then, I wonder if there even *is* such a thing as too much stam. I've had a couple close calls yesterday, where I was left < 20%, mostly due to a nasty unmitigated hit + high stack breath.

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Healing is low, but my stam gives me the room to eat a series of hits AND a breath and still have a second to LoH myself, while they focus on the add's damage.

EDIT: BTW, I realize this explains why Gurzog dies from time to time - he's probably in a similar situation as myself, without the LoH to fall back on.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:01 am

I'd be cautious about spending VPs on rings now, especially ones with Crit. In mind that with 5.1, there will be new dailies and some 496 rewards - ring and boots.

Personally, I've got my eye on that exp/hit chest. (Although the trinket would be an upgrade on my remaining Brewfest one).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:16 am

In that case, I don't think you are overshooting on stam - and really interesting spot with Gurzog, prolly have to talk with the healers about the importance of healing the tank(s).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:32 am

Just re-read the new rewards from 5.1 - the DPS boots are yummy and the tanking ring/belt aren't too shabby either...
Better hold until the chest, I guess...

AS for the healers, I think it's a question of communication: one keeps the tank out of the danger zone, the other works on the raid. The damage being growing over time, it's easy to get comfortable with light tank damage until a surprise breath-rape.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:46 am

Sagara wrote:Second point being: Is anyone thinking I'm overshooting on Stam? I don't think I have "too much", but I'd rather have a second opinion.

I'm biased, but my opinion is that you can never overshoot on stamina. More stamina rarely ever hurts - it's still a good survivability stat even when you're not getting 2-shot. You're not going to wipe a raid by stacking stamina, that's for sure. The only question in my mind is whether it's worth doing in 10-man, or whether it's worth gearing for more DPS (haste). That depends somewhat on your raid team, how often you die, and how solid your rotation is (i.e., can you take advantage of that extra haste?).

But really, if all you care about is surviving, you can't go wrong stacking stamina until blue gems are bursting out of your eye sockets.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:59 am

Groumph. Rotation's a bit clunky at times, so I'll probably stick to Stam. Or maybe try and fit in a dps piece or two. Or (even smarter) regem a couple of pieces - the Eyes are so plentiful I don't think I could use them all.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:29 am

Sag doesn't just care about surviving, but also about dps *nods decisively* :-P
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:33 am

Hey! I don't *try* to top the charts!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Brokenone » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:53 am

From a 10 man perspective, there have only been 2 times I wish I had more Stamina. Meng on Heroic Spirit Kings is brutal. I solo tanked Elite Protectors of the Endless. By the end, the little void zone that gives you a stacking debuff was pretty rough. Protectors wasn't really an issue other than on the first attempt. After we got the fight mechanics down, I think we killed it the 2nd attempt.

Meng is really the only boss I ever die to. We rotate all our CD's during his hard-hitting phase, and I still find myself wishing for more Stam (although I don't know if it'd actually make the difference. He starts hitting for 300k+ at 75% energy (without ShoR I'd guess).

What I'm thinking about doing is gemming for an equivalent of the Stam trinket I currently have and then swapping it in and out on a per fight basis.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:08 pm

Sagara wrote:Hey! I don't *try* to top the charts!

That was more of a geas from your RL than an observation *whistles*
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Teloc » Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:22 pm

Heroic meng is painful when he gets his stacks up..Thankfully lots of cooldowns help on him. Along with ShoR spam with HA.

Now my reason for posting...I think I can give up some of my pure stam gems for hybrid gems. Also not too sure if I should switch to haste over mastery or wait til I get my 4 piece. I am a 10man heroic mode tank.


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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Thu Nov 22, 2012 3:32 pm

ok some big upgrades tonight. I guess it's time for the critics: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced

I go control / haste.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby palles » Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:46 pm

So I have primarily gone with a full out Haste build, I was shooting for the 5619 break point (overshot a little bit) with maxed Hit and Exp, then going mastery now that I've hit that cap. I have more crit than I'd like but the Stam and haste on those items makes them better than other options I have/had at the time I picked them up. I really want to replace my MH but have no had the sword drop which feels like the only viable replacement at this point (well other than actual good epics) ... I have lucked out in that my raid has no plate DPS so I roll MS on DPS gear for my tanking gear, essentially.

I only have 1 log with me as a tank:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-53xafcfpepk47bmg/

because I was running Ret until I left my old guild (though I wanted to be prot and was prot for all of cata) anyway, here is my character, I'm open to any advice.

oh a few other minor things I guess. I know my enchant isn't ideal, and will be changing to colossus once 5.1 drops, but at this point don't feel it is worth it to make the move to other options with my current weapon. I am also working to replace my rings, primarily getting exalted with Klaxxi for the hit/haste one, and hoping for something better drop wise.


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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:18 am

When 5.1 hits there is a new faction, the 'tank' trinket is dodge and therefore utterly poo, dispite the ilvl upgrade I was thinking that Static-Caster's Medallion might be a decent shout, sure the clicky on use is of no use to us but the raw haste makes it attractive, no ?.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:34 am

If your just ranking a trinket on it's static stats the engineer made dragonling would allow you to get much more than that caster trinket, 3x 600 stat cogwheels, only ppl using the engineering helm will end up with slightly weak cogwheels.
If your going for a haste build and don't want 2 stam trinkets do your best to get the Emperor haste strength proc trinket, the proc seems to be consistently 40% uptime over the last 3 weeks of raiding :D
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:28 am

Yeah, I figure'd as much, just got to pray will is nice to me then.

Seems like a bad move by bliz though, no-one likes dodge, c'ept maybe druids.
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