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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:39 pm

Bear in mind that the tier legs (and hands) drop from Sha of Anger. And you get two bites at the cherry each week if you use your coin. As a pessimist, I tend to go for the biggest upgrade and not factor in potential drops. But after making the Klaxxi legs my first VP purchase, I soon won the tier legs.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Jadhzia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:00 am

Hello,

This is my first post, but I've been following this advice of this great site for quite a while. :)
I'm in a small guild that's just starting raiding in this extension so I'm having a closer look at my stuff. I read the basic guide here, as well as Theck's blog and EJ's guide. Things are looking fine, but when I run my character through Mr Robot with the Haste preset, it wants me to go crazy on Stamina gems... I read on EJ that it was Theck who provided this weighting to Mr. Robot.

I understand this for hard mode, but is it really relevant for normal, 10-man raiding? Here is my character: Jadhzia (EU-Sargeras). I would have thought that more mitigation (haste, mastery) would be more useful than stamina for my healers (who aren't complaining about my health, since I'm doing 30-35% of my own healing), so I fail to understand this stamina-heavy weighting.

At the moment it's a bit hard to find out whether more Stamina would help me in Mogu'shan Vaults, we're still learning the first fight. Thanks for any insight.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:30 pm

To find out if more stamina would help your raid group progress, you need to analyse the wipes. Are you wiping because you ran out of health (the yes, more stamina will help). Are you wiping because the healers ran out of mana? (then you need to mitigate more damage) are you wiping because someone stood in the fire (generally - then you need to work on execution, and your gearing isn't that relevant).

That being said, the stamina discussion is a very "feely" one. You really need to talk to your healers - if they spam heal you regardless of your health, then you should focus purely on mitigatin (barring getting them to change their play) - if they like to see what happens and try to be a mana efficient as possible, then stamina is king, as they can be more mana efficient because each hit is a smaller part of your total health, so they can be slower in healing you up.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Brokenone » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:47 pm

I do 10 mans as well. Honestly, it probably depends on two things. One, how solid your rotation and cooldown usage is. And second, how good your healers are. I very rarely die without other catastrophic things happening first. Because of this, I don't find I need much more Stamina than I get base from gear. I have a Stam meta and one Stam trinket. Everything else is expertise/hit/haste.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Jadhzia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:20 pm

Thanks for your answers. :)

I think my rotation is solid (I understand that stacking haste is useless otherwise) and my healers seem content with my damage taken profile, even though a couple more sessions are necessary to make sure.

We are two tanks in the raid, a warrior and me, which equal gear levels. He takes slightly less total damage than me, but I clearly require much less maintenance thanks to Sacred shield and the self-heals. Our wipes have mostly been because of strategic mistakes, and the healers are hard-pressed mostly because of jasper chains or overload of the wrong dog.

So, with your answers in mind, I'll ignore Mr. Robot's advice to stack stamina and keep stacking haste (first) and mastery (second). We'll see how this goes as we understand the fight better.

Thanks. :)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:04 am

Actually, thats when you should stack stamina - when you are taking "good" amount of damage, stamina is better because it lets the healers plan better and you don't need healing as fast when you take damage.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Heavyhammer » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:29 pm

Hey guys, I'm new to these forums and somewhat new to prot paladins. I've been following Mr. Robot mostly, but I'm not sure my blind following is really what I should be doing.

Anyway, here is my armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/b ... mer/simple

I know that I've got a few pieces of LFR ret gear on there. I was ret for the entirety of this expansion until this coming raid week. Due to an unfortunate irl incident, we had to remove one of the tanks from the guild. I have now switched over, and I am concerned about using my DPS gear to tank. Mr. Robot is telling me the DPS gear I'm using is acceptable/better than the 463 tanking gear from heroics. I just wanted to come here and make sure I'm not actually very squishy and hurting my guild.

Aside from gear, I feel as though I have the rotation down. It's essentially just generating as much HP as possible and using SotR whenever possible, followed by fillers whenever a HP generator is down.

Any help you guys would be able to offer would be great. If I am in the wrong place or should have started my own thread, please don't hesitate to let me know and I can fix it.

Thanks!
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:11 am

Anything with crit on it should be avoided really, but I would make do until something of equal or great item level opens up, the drop in raw stats makes this a bad move, the rest of it is fine for tank if not optimal depending on how you want to set up.

You're over hit cap by a good 1% reforge that down, apart from that you seem fine to me.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:30 am

The thing is that some pieces of crit/exp are actually better than dodge/parry pieces just because of how valuable hit and exp are.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nova » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:09 am

Klaudandus wrote:The thing is that some pieces of crit/exp are actually better than dodge/parry pieces just because of how valuable hit and exp are.

Yep, and it can lead to arguments with your fellow plate-wearers.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:13 am

Yep, and it can lead to arguments with your fellow plate-wearers.

Well, I'd not obviously take it from my fellow raiders unless they already have that piece of gear -- and its moot in LFR as some really good tanking pieces are flagged for DPS only, so we have no access to them anyways...


Now... I need advice again

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Don't know what should be my next VP purchase.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:47 pm

Probably the stamina trinket.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:20 am

I was trying out some stuff yesterday and I was liking how it felt, I switch to two stamina trinkets if I feel I need to.

Just wondering if I'm totally barking up the wrong tree.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:51 am

theckhd wrote:Probably the stamina trinket.


Well, last night I got http://www.wowhead.com/item=86080

Should I still go for the trinket or should I go with something else? Tank deaths have not been the issue for us, execution is tho...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Treck » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:00 am

A belt with a socket would be a really big upgrade as well, not much luck with the stone guard belt i see. but i'd still go for the trinket, you are not going to replace it anyway.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:13 pm

Treck wrote:i'd still go for the trinket, you are not going to replace it anyway.


What he said. Best two stamina trinkets this tier are the valor trinket and the Jade Warlord Figurine (or alternatively, the darkmoon card). You won't be replacing the trinket until T15.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby jere » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:01 am

I had heard the cooldowns for both the Jade Warlord and the VP trinket were shared so you lose out on a cooldown if you get both? Obviously that is just what I heard as I don't have either yet. Is that of any merit in trinket selection if so (losing one cooldown)? It might be that the cooldowns don't matter enough yet, but thought I would check as well as I am considering buying the DMFC trinket instead for that reason.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Lastwolf » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:08 am

The clickey is secondary nice bonus to the stamina, I doubt if they shared a cooldown it would put people off.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Raive » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:47 am

Trying to decide if I should go for shoulders or cloak from VP next, kinda leaning towards the cloak though I need a bit more rep before I can get it (probably little less than a week or so)

Also, is it bad I'm still using the ghost iron dragonling? 600 of each of our best stats just seems so juicy I'm wary of replacing it with the iron protector talisman I have
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby daishan » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:49 am

If they share a cd it then comes down to weather you value 185 stam above the almost 10% dodge clicky on the DMF trinket. Personally I'd go with the VP trinket and the DMF trinket if the trash drop one shares a cd.
Another thing to consider is the coming upgrade system, can it be used on DMF trinkets?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:10 am

jere wrote:I had heard the cooldowns for both the Jade Warlord and the VP trinket were shared so you lose out on a cooldown if you get both? Obviously that is just what I heard as I don't have either yet. Is that of any merit in trinket selection if so (losing one cooldown)? It might be that the cooldowns don't matter enough yet, but thought I would check as well as I am considering buying the DMFC trinket instead for that reason.

They do not share a cooldown. Or at least, the VP trinket and Relic of Niuzao do not, and I believe Jade Warlord works the same way. In beta, nearly all of these "shared cooldown" mechanics were eliminated and replaced with a new "lockout" system (for lack of a better term, I'm making this one up on the fly). Basically, if you use the clicky on one trinket, the other trinket will get put on a cooldown equal to the duration of the first trinket's effect. This ensures that you can't have both effects up at once, but doesn't prevent you from chaining them.

So for example, Lao-Chin's Liquid Courage grants a 15-seocnd mastery buff and Relic of Niuzao grants a 12-second dodge buff. If I click LCLC, RoN gets a 15-second cooldown. If I use RoN first, LCLC gets a 12-second cooldown. I can still chain them back to back (which is often the preferred method anyhow) without issue. As far as I'm aware, this lockout only happens if the trinket isn't already on a cooldown exceeding the duration. So for example, if I use RoN early in the fight, and use LCLC when RoN still has 20 seconds left on its cooldown, it doesn't add time to that cooldown. If RoN still had 10 seconds left on the cooldown, it would be increased to 15.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:13 am

Raive wrote:Also, is it bad I'm still using the ghost iron dragonling? 600 of each of our best stats just seems so juicy I'm wary of replacing it with the iron protector talisman I have

Yes, because stamina is more valuable than hit/exp and much more valuable than haste/mastery, especially at low gear levels. In terms of stat weights, if haste/mastery are ~1, hit/exp are between 2-6 and stam is between 2.7-8. The numbers I usually use when optimizing my own gear are 3 for hit/exp and 4 for stamina, though I'll occasionally use 6 for hit/exp and 8 for stam if I'm trying to juggle the caps more effectively.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby jere » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:48 am

theckhd wrote:They do not share a cooldown. Or at least, the VP trinket and Relic of Niuzao do not, and I believe Jade Warlord works the same way. In beta, nearly all of these "shared cooldown" mechanics were eliminated and replaced with a new "lockout" system (for lack of a better term, I'm making this one up on the fly). Basically, if you use the clicky on one trinket, the other trinket will get put on a cooldown equal to the duration of the first trinket's effect. This ensures that you can't have both effects up at once, but doesn't prevent you from chaining them.


Thanks! I was more worried about the VP trinket and the raid drop one as they both have the exact same cooldown, but it sounds like I can still chain them. I was considering the Relic to avoid that issue, but if they can be chained then that makes it an easier choice.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:51 am

May be worth investing in a Relic either way. It looks like Jade Warlord is a random drop in MSV, so the chance of seeing one at all before that raid is obsolete may be very small. I managed to buy the cards for my Relic for around 5k about a week before the fair came around again, and they should be getting steadily cheaper as more people max professions and create cards.
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Postby jere » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:04 am

Full up cards were on our AH for 13k last night...about 8 of them. I'm gonna see what they look like this evening.
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