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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:43 am
by Klaudandus
Yeah, i know blizz reads this blog, but they sometimes drop the ball on things that are painfully obvious... So i completely understand where you are coming from

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2012 10:49 am
by Gab
Tanks, not just Tankadins, can and should be out dpsing DPS on many encounters. Although this is highly dependent on the amount of damage aimed at the tank.

For example, last night, on our (10H) Stone Guard kill I pulled 210k while the nearest DPS was around 120k.

I'm gearing similarly to the way you are. Stam > Hit/Exp > Haste > Mastery. With this gearing philosophy you might end up taking slightly more damage overall than you would when gearing for avoidance but there are several benefits to preferring "control". Your damage intake will be less spikey, giving you and your healers plenty of time to react. You will be able to reduce any physical damage that is unavoidable such as some boss specials or bleeds etc... And finally you will be able to contribute a lot more DPS.

It does feel odd preferring a Haste/x piece, where x = hit, exp or mastery, over a dodge/parry piece but that's just how things are shaking out right now. Druids have competed with DPS for years for their tanking gear, no reason plate tanks shouldn't. The only difference with druids is that there is no dodge/x pieces, so Blizzard has made it feel weird that a Dodge/Parry plate piece is going to be disenchanted because that Haste/x piece is better for plate tanks...

As far as the tank swap for Spirit Binder is concerned. Make sure you have 5 HP banked so that you can transition smoothly with back to back ShoRs and make sure you get a vengeanced sacred shield up after the first couple of melees.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:24 am
by Taeron
Hello.

I'm a little lost as to how I should gem/enchant/reforge the gear I have/get. On one side, there are sites like Ask Mr. Robot, telling me to gem heavily in mastery, while going for hit and exp cap, so I stick pure mastery gems into no-color and yellow slots.

On the other side, I see people going heavy stamina after hitting hit cap, basically ignoring mastery and using color slots for avoidance+sta mix gems.

What's the consensus on this? What's the "right" way?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:40 am
by Klaudandus
There is no right way, just ways that fit your playstyle...

The spiky avoidance way

The control set

And the hardmode set


Askmrrobot is derping right now though. Using their control set, it has me shedding more than 6% of my mastery, even tho its the stat we're supposed to go after after hitting hit/exp softcap...

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:13 am
by Nova
Klaudandus wrote:Askmrrobot is derping right now though. Using their control set, it has me shedding more than 6% of my mastery, even tho its the stat we're supposed to go after after hitting hit/exp softcap...

That, and it's reforging out of the Hit cap.

Another question. Shield of the Righteous reduces all damage taken, only blocked damage or just raw physical damage?

And last one: from what I understand, Vengeance makes your attack power go up based on the highest damage received, or it's cumulative? I'm trying to understand why my damage is sky-high in Stone Guard and not that high in Feng the Accursed.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:56 pm
by Sagara
Quick fact checking - this is me.

I'm getting very close to the exp cap, but I won't be able to afford the Valor shoulders until next reset. Do you believe it's worth blowing a Living Steel for a weapon chain? At the very best, I'll be called in to help on Spirit Kings/Elegon.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:17 am
by daishan
MrRobot is doing some strange things playing around with custom weights I've managed to get it to spit out sensible numbers is a pain though.
SotR reduces all physical dmg taken for 3sec the size of the reduction is increased by having more mastery.
About vengeance I'm sure there's better explanations out there but no one corrected anything I wrote so I assume I've got it right http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33086

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:32 am
by daishan
I'm starting to lean towards the weapon chain even though I don't need it to cap, stats that are always there are looking more appealing.
When I did Elegon I deliberately aimed for 12% ish exp to be hard capped for the Lvl 92 adds, if you really want hard cap you could use elixirs, I like been a bit under hard cap so I can fine tune with trinkets and elixirs.
Another thing to think about is does your raid team need you to take as few spikes as you possibly can (by exp hard cap) or would some more haste for extra dps be of more benefit?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:44 am
by Sagara
Considering our getup, I'll more than probably be affected to add duty on Elegon. I'm hard-capped for 92 mobs, so I'll stick to where I am right now.

Thanks!

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 3:34 am
by Kardak
Hello fellow tonklings,

I have been a long time reader on these forums yet very rarely post here. However seeing as how the stats in MoP seem to be all over the place i feel i am in need of some gearing advice.

My current profile can be found here:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/quelthalas/Kardak/advanced

I have been persuing the hit and expertise hardcaps but very recently gotten into abit of a discussion on the matters of stamina and master vs haste. While i agree mastery being a good stat to go for after the hit/exp caps i am abit lost on the importance of stamina nowdays.

Any advice or critisism will be greatly appreciated! :D

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:38 pm
by Fishnuts
My gear http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/the-forgotten-coast/Fishnuts/advanced

My question is the HH Slicer really our BiS pre-raid? Has some lovely amounts of stam plus expertise and hit, does it outshine the agility and lack of strength?

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:50 am
by Klaudandus
Apparently so, if I recall Theckd's graphs, it's only behind weapons from normal raids and above Elegon's LFR weapon.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:53 am
by Klaudandus
Should I drop my VP into http://www.wowhead.com/item=89420

As per askmrrobot, it's just either #2 or #3 if all you do is normal T14 -- and above Tier chest

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:25 am
by Kozakura
I hate to ask in such a cliche way, but am I doing it right?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... ura/simple

I've gotten many compliments on how I do my runs, as well as how I don't seem to take a boatload of damage. I just want to see if there's any tips towards the way I'm doing it. I've been a retribution/holy paladin since the beginning of Wrath (SoB <33333), but I finally took up the reigns and decided to main tank for my guild. I utilize Mr. Robot quite a bit, but I just wanted to drop in on Maintankadin and see what y'all though. Thanks for your time! :)

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 3:49 am
by daishan
Welcome to the forums :)
To put it bluntly your not doing what most of us world consider to be right.
Most ppl like to aim for "control" to do that we need hit cap 7.5% and at least exp soft cap 7.5% after that it's a bit of a choice.
You can go for exp hard cap 15% to reduce the number of dangerous spikes you take from physical dmg.
Mastery to take less while you have SotR up.
Haste so you can keep SotR up more
Stam so your healers have more breathing room.

Dodge and parry are generally pretty bad we have no control over when we avoid the dmg, so most of us are re forging out of them as much as we can or just going for gear without any.

Personally I go for hit and exp soft cap then as much stam and haste as I can.
As your new to tanking going for 7.5% hit> 7.5% exp> mast > stam might be more forgiving as to get the most from more haste you'll need to mash buttons faster.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 2:58 am
by Kozakura
Hey, I like it forward, so thanks for that! :D

I had noticed the control/mastery build, but I wasn't sure which to go for. That's why I'm here. I want to be as useful as possible to my people, so thank you very much for the input, Daishan! I'll implement these when I get up later today, give it a whirl, and let you know how it feels. Thanks again! :)

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 7:17 pm
by Ardain
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ain/simple

Curious how im doing im trying to go for max mitigation i seem to be doing ok but i seem squishy in some places.
(Leveling Blacksmithing/Inscription).

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:30 pm
by torrasque
Klaudandus wrote:Should I drop my VP into http://www.wowhead.com/item=89420

As per askmrrobot, it's just either #2 or #3 if all you do is normal T14 -- and above Tier chest

came here to ask this. it is really nice compared to the other one. http://www.wowhead.com/item=89421/cuirass-of-the-twin-monoliths

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:03 am
by Sagara
Depends on wether you want an upgrade right now, or if you want to plan ahead. THe chest is a very strong piece, but consider the shoulders for one moment: http://www.wowhead.com/item=89346/shoulders-of-autumnlight.

They're just as well rated as the chest. THe only difference is where to find a potential upgrade: the chest can be replaced either with a drop from Galleon or with a crafted item. It's extremely expensive, but a strong item until Heroic raiding. Meanwhile, the Shoulders can only be replaced by a drop from Lei Shi, which will only be accessible God-knows-when.

So yeah. Your best bets are probably either Chest or Shoulders, with the availability of crafted items and/or Galleon vs. speed of progression being the tie breaker.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:10 am
by Loliinacan
Hey all, was wondering what to buy next with Valor. Was thinking either http://www.wowhead.com/item=89420 or http://www.wowhead.com/item=89095. The legs seem like a better upgrade, but the chest does have awesome stats as well. Hrm.

Here is my armory. http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/kiljaeden/Loliinacan/advanced

Thanks all!

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:39 pm
by econ21
Bear in mind that the tier legs (and hands) drop from Sha of Anger. And you get two bites at the cherry each week if you use your coin. As a pessimist, I tend to go for the biggest upgrade and not factor in potential drops. But after making the Klaxxi legs my first VP purchase, I soon won the tier legs.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:00 am
by Jadhzia
Hello,

This is my first post, but I've been following this advice of this great site for quite a while. :)
I'm in a small guild that's just starting raiding in this extension so I'm having a closer look at my stuff. I read the basic guide here, as well as Theck's blog and EJ's guide. Things are looking fine, but when I run my character through Mr Robot with the Haste preset, it wants me to go crazy on Stamina gems... I read on EJ that it was Theck who provided this weighting to Mr. Robot.

I understand this for hard mode, but is it really relevant for normal, 10-man raiding? Here is my character: Jadhzia (EU-Sargeras). I would have thought that more mitigation (haste, mastery) would be more useful than stamina for my healers (who aren't complaining about my health, since I'm doing 30-35% of my own healing), so I fail to understand this stamina-heavy weighting.

At the moment it's a bit hard to find out whether more Stamina would help me in Mogu'shan Vaults, we're still learning the first fight. Thanks for any insight.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:30 pm
by Nooska
To find out if more stamina would help your raid group progress, you need to analyse the wipes. Are you wiping because you ran out of health (the yes, more stamina will help). Are you wiping because the healers ran out of mana? (then you need to mitigate more damage) are you wiping because someone stood in the fire (generally - then you need to work on execution, and your gearing isn't that relevant).

That being said, the stamina discussion is a very "feely" one. You really need to talk to your healers - if they spam heal you regardless of your health, then you should focus purely on mitigatin (barring getting them to change their play) - if they like to see what happens and try to be a mana efficient as possible, then stamina is king, as they can be more mana efficient because each hit is a smaller part of your total health, so they can be slower in healing you up.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:47 pm
by Brokenone
I do 10 mans as well. Honestly, it probably depends on two things. One, how solid your rotation and cooldown usage is. And second, how good your healers are. I very rarely die without other catastrophic things happening first. Because of this, I don't find I need much more Stamina than I get base from gear. I have a Stam meta and one Stam trinket. Everything else is expertise/hit/haste.

Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:20 pm
by Jadhzia
Thanks for your answers. :)

I think my rotation is solid (I understand that stacking haste is useless otherwise) and my healers seem content with my damage taken profile, even though a couple more sessions are necessary to make sure.

We are two tanks in the raid, a warrior and me, which equal gear levels. He takes slightly less total damage than me, but I clearly require much less maintenance thanks to Sacred shield and the self-heals. Our wipes have mostly been because of strategic mistakes, and the healers are hard-pressed mostly because of jasper chains or overload of the wrong dog.

So, with your answers in mind, I'll ignore Mr. Robot's advice to stack stamina and keep stacking haste (first) and mastery (second). We'll see how this goes as we understand the fight better.

Thanks. :)