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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:32 am

benebarba wrote:
Antaka wrote:Hello, i been away from game for some time and i wonder how should i start rebuilding my char for DS hc. my guild is killing 5 hc per week so we need to try for more :)

http://armorylite.com/eu/neptulon/antaka

i have in bags,

Resolve of undying (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77201
Souldrinker (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77193
iceward cloak (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=72854
mirror of broken images http://www.wowhead.com/item=68713
spidersilk spindle http://www.wowhead.com/item=68981
soulshifter vortex http://www.wowhead.com/item=77206
veil of lies http://www.wowhead.com/item=72900

suggestions are welcome. thanks.


I chucked your character into Mr. Robot and think it did pretty well (your base gear is better than my own, but I have had to go through a similar process): http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/gear/eu/neptulon/antaka

There's a few places where you'll actually want to reforge the defensive stats to mastery instead of the hit/exp, and reforge the largest of parry/dodge to mastery even if you may lose a bit of parry/dodge to diminishing returns as a result. That way you gain CTC from gear and can start gemming more stam. The gloves and cloak, for example. You'll also want to upgrade some of your gems if you can afford it - moving to the epic green mastery/stam gems in a few slots can allow you to stack stam elsewhere. Also, the wrath +40 stam bracer enchant is a nice one to get once you can get it without dropping below CTC.

do you use a feast of do you eat mastery food? I use the +90 mastery food (lavascale minestrone) even though it means I need to provide my own just because it is much better for CTC.


hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:02 pm

Antaka wrote:hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed


looks like you already optimized a bit since I last checked :D

I'd definitely go for the lavascale minestrone (+90 mastery and stam) food (you can set this in the options in ask mr. robot), since that means that you can dedicate more itemization to stamina. If you do that, then with the gear you had on in your armory when I checked a few minutes ago, you can put another solid ocean sapphire into your boots (or if you want drop 2 epic solid deepholm iolites in there). Either way, check to make sure that with the buffs you expect to have that you'll still be at or above 102.4% CTC (I have a little macro that I use to check this whenever I move stuff around).

I think the combo of indom pride and fire of the deep is a good one (I'll do it once I get indom pride), though you may find spidersilk spindle and the mirror of broken images good for certain fights. Soulshifter vortex I wouldn't bother with since the proc is actually useless for us since we want to be at 102.4% CTC at all times while buffed (except certain fights were it may be ok to drop below that, like ultraxion, but other trinkets will be more useful for those special cases).

Then comes the question of weapon. You have the heroic hand of morchok which is the winner between it and the normal souldrinker when it comes to combat table coverage (since souldrinker doesn't have secondary stats). But souldrinker provides some nice damage boosts and a healing proc - but as a result you'll have to modify your gemming strategy. I am not sure right off hand which is actually better for overall survivability... IIRC, it depends on what your healers have trouble with.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:28 pm

benebarba wrote:
Antaka wrote:hello, thanks for your help first of all.
and yeah i can afford epic gems, but whichone you suggest to change and change in to what?
i use feast or dodge food but i can fish for mastery if its needed


looks like you already optimized a bit since I last checked :D

I'd definitely go for the lavascale minestrone (+90 mastery and stam) food (you can set this in the options in ask mr. robot), since that means that you can dedicate more itemization to stamina. If you do that, then with the gear you had on in your armory when I checked a few minutes ago, you can put another solid ocean sapphire into your boots (or if you want drop 2 epic solid deepholm iolites in there). Either way, check to make sure that with the buffs you expect to have that you'll still be at or above 102.4% CTC (I have a little macro that I use to check this whenever I move stuff around).

I think the combo of indom pride and fire of the deep is a good one (I'll do it once I get indom pride), though you may find spidersilk spindle and the mirror of broken images good for certain fights. Soulshifter vortex I wouldn't bother with since the proc is actually useless for us since we want to be at 102.4% CTC at all times while buffed (except certain fights were it may be ok to drop below that, like ultraxion, but other trinkets will be more useful for those special cases).

Then comes the question of weapon. You have the heroic hand of morchok which is the winner between it and the normal souldrinker when it comes to combat table coverage (since souldrinker doesn't have secondary stats). But souldrinker provides some nice damage boosts and a healing proc - but as a result you'll have to modify your gemming strategy. I am not sure right off hand which is actually better for overall survivability... IIRC, it depends on what your healers have trouble with.


hello, yeah i have checked the mrrobot and modified most of my gems in to stamina and change some reforges. i will have test chance the new changes soon :)
im just didnt touch the boots because i will change them soon also 1 more question how trustful is that mrrobot site for the suggestion about reforging and gemming?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:04 pm

for me, mr. Robot did pretty well, IMO (I tend to also check it myself based on stuff in the theorycrafting forum and got help from folks here too). But for some specs/classes it doesn't work as well and there is always some room for variation on certain things (like I use landslide instead of windwalk on my weapon - but I just like hitting things hard every now and again)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby minifreak88 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:39 pm

Alright, I hope no one laughs. I was derping on askmrrobot and this is what it told me to do. I think it's pretty cool and i'm still at avoidance cap without buffs (I'm just nit picky like that >.< i know i should probably reforge to some hit or something) but I still feel like i'm taking a lot of damage. is it just because of my health being so high or what? should i go back to some hybrid gems?

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenrìr » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:38 am

minifreak88 wrote:Alright, I hope no one laughs. I was derping on askmrrobot and this is what it told me to do. I think it's pretty cool and i'm still at avoidance cap without buffs (I'm just nit picky like that >.< i know i should probably reforge to some hit or something) but I still feel like i'm taking a lot of damage. is it just because of my health being so high or what? should i go back to some hybrid gems?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... e/advanced



Wow...you are so far over the CtC capped once buffed it's not even funny how much wasted stats you have.

There is no such thing as too much health unless you are not at tCTC. I personally hate AMR because you really cannot get it to even agree with itself which is why I like Chardev better. If you feel like you're taking too much dmg, you're probably not rotating your CDs are the more opportune times (IE: after stomp on morloot, right before lazer beam of hahainyourface on Zonozz, 5 stacks of void bolt on Yor'sahj the snoozefest, etc).

If you're a stam stacking kind of tank, then honestly, drop Resolve of Undying (not only because it's a terrible trinket, but because it's a terrible trinket) for Indom Pride or even a H Scales of Life. It'll still keep you over tCTC with complete stam gems. We are not warriors, we get ~zero~ benefit for being over tCTC in a raid environment and you will always have those buffs unless for some unknown reason you die. Even then, if you do die, the only buff you're going to lose is your food buff because your raid should instantly be rebuffing you once you pop up. You should never discount those buffs because you will always have them. 80% of the damage to be concerned about is unavoidable anyway, making tCTC pointless (yes, it's a randomly number, but the point is that the vast majority of damage is unavoidable and still requires a CD just like the avoidable/blockable stuff). So more stam is beneficial. You would gain almost 11k hp by using H Indom Pride which is more beneficial than you being almost 4% over tCTC with buffs.

However, you can just as easily run 8% hit/26 exp and still be fine. You would barely notice the drop in your health (5-6k max even with a stam trinket to replace the horrible Resolve).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Shoju » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:31 am

WoW.... Am I seeing this right?

104.98 sitting there,
with no stacks of resolve of the undying?
No Food
No Flask
No Elixirs?

Holy crap. Do you have a stam trinket?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Antaka » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:33 am

well after getting heroic trinket last night im just confused what to do, guess i will need to change some stamina gems in to mastery+stamina

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... aka/simple


at the moment without buffs, food, flask, i have 98.14 avoidance.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:17 am

Antaka wrote:well after getting heroic trinket last night im just confused what to do, guess i will need to change some stamina gems in to mastery+stamina

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/n ... aka/simple


at the moment without buffs, food, flask, i have 98.14 avoidance.


If you are at 98.14 unbuffed then you are probably very close to 102.4 buffed, depending on which consumeables you are using. Try importing your toon to chardev.org and set up your buffs (Kings/Mark and one of the str/agi buffs) and consumeables (Food and Flask/Elixirs). That should show you how close to 102.4 you are and then you can tinker with reforging and gems.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sizzwizz » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:48 pm

Need some advice on reforging as I dont truely trust askmrrobot.

I tank heroics but heal LFR and BGs.

I need a new helm...waiting for LFR one to drop. Shield is crappy too, I'll get the twilight heroics on eventually as well. And 333 trink/weap needs to be updated as well.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... wer/simple

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:10 pm

I'm trying to improve my dps stunt gear as a tank
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/f ... dus/simple

Was thinking of switching just about all Parry+Mastery for Expertise+Mastery and my Parry+Stam for Expertise+Stam (I am getting the Heroic DPS T13 Shoulder) -- my HP would be around 212K with all the changes and most buffs included and still be at 102.4%

I accidentally tanked all 6/8 in my current dps stunt gear, but with different trinkets
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:52 pm

what I feel, is a pretty good choice to reach Exp. cap withtout wasting to many stats is wearing the heroic Firelands neckpiece and the heroic Shannox Belt. Then switch 3 Red socket gems to Exp /stamina should be enough:
like I do:http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/character/die-silberne-hand/Schroom/advanced
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:35 am

We never did heroic firelands, so I have no access to those items =P
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Marilee » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:49 am

Howdy! So simple question: when the patch hits this week and I log in for the first time and dash off to the reforger, what should be my reforging goals? :) From reading threads here and various blogs sounds like maybe soft cap hit and expertise, and then favor parry over dodge? But I haven't found a good source of where mastery falls in the scheme of things and how I should aim re: that. I really hate math. I'm sure many other people who are just casual readers of this site have the same question.

Thanks in advance for your advice and patience. <3
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Postby Sagara » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:44 am

I'll give it a rough shot, and I hope people will help me help you :)

Globally, Theck seems to imply that there are globally two groups of stats that reinforce other stats in their group but weaken stats in the other:
Parry/Dodge (favoring Parry) is the TDR approach: damage stays spiky, but you'll take the least damage on average.
On the other hand, you could focus on exploiting ShoTR and WOG by focusing on Mastery/Hit/Expertise. Of the three, HIT/EXP have he weakest TDR, but they grant control by smoothing out HoPo generation.

So we're globally in a situation where we trade power (higher TDR) for control. With current content not challenging mana healer overmuch, control seems more appropriate. In short:

1) Safe route: Cap EXP/Hit, spam Mastery.
2) Experimentation route: Spam Mastery, and if you find yourself wanting to hit ShoTR/WoG more often, increase hit/exp as needed.
3) TDR route: focus on Parry/Dodge, with a rough 2:1 ratio.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:49 pm

Sagara wrote:I'll give it a rough shot, and I hope people will help me help you :)

Globally, Theck seems to imply that there are globally two groups of stats that reinforce other stats in their group but weaken stats in the other:
Parry/Dodge (favoring Parry) is the TDR approach: damage stays spiky, but you'll take the least damage on average.
On the other hand, you could focus on exploiting ShoTR and WOG by focusing on Mastery/Hit/Expertise. Of the three, HIT/EXP have he weakest TDR, but they grant control by smoothing out HoPo generation.

So we're globally in a situation where we trade power (higher TDR) for control. With current content not challenging mana healer overmuch, control seems more appropriate. In short:

1) Safe route: Cap EXP/Hit, spam Mastery.
2) Experimentation route: Spam Mastery, and if you find yourself wanting to hit ShoTR/WoG more often, increase hit/exp as needed.
3) TDR route: focus on Parry/Dodge, with a rough 2:1 ratio.


I'm largely with Sagara.

But... if you're raiding DS, I have my doubts as to if going for the dodge/parry route is worthwhile if you do it at the cost of stamina. My reasoning is that I believe much of the 'killer damage' (at least what of it remains) won't be much helped by parry, which will probably end up being at least twice what your dodge percentage is, just because of how they scale (and how strength plays into it). We won't be blocking as often as we used to (looks to be about half as much), but now our mastery will be all about our active mitigation and our WOG boost.

Personally (ilvl 397 geared, DS normal/heroic mix), I'm going to keep my stam-heavy gem scheme but use reforging and re-gemming to get my 7.5% hit and expertise then reforge such that dodge gets converted to parry or mastery. May not be optimal, but the health buffer hopefully will give me a bit more breathing room as I get used to the AM mechanics.

I think in the 5-mans, a similar approach may not hurt - though I think there, parry may yield more benefits than in DS... but I have absolutely no math to back that up.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Marilee » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:19 pm

Ah thanks you two. I was trying to herpderp my way through the Theck blog post on exp+hit vs dodge+parry and wasn't doing well, but your summary makes sense. :) I'm going to go with capping exp+hit and then stacking mastery and stam.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:48 pm

I've tried something similar this weekend, we'll see how it pans out this week. Control does seem more valuable.

To touch bene's remark: we indeed shouldn't sacrifice stamina. In fact, an even MORE stamina-focused approach would be viable (as in, double-stam trinkets), especially if your healing team tends to panic easily. The "mana sponge" problem of druids isn't as acute with the three-heal model.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:05 am

yes, I aswell belive that stam is a lot more important again than mitigation, as you can't be blockcaped.
so I will also go for Stam->hit->exp->mastery-> parry->dodge

and see how it will play out.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:36 am

Schroom wrote:yes, I aswell belive that stam is a lot more important again than mitigation, as you can't be blockcaped.
so I will also go for Stam->hit->exp->mastery-> parry->dodge

and see how it will play out.

And of course I sold my soulshifter vortex after getting indomitable pride this week... to battle.net to see if I can get it back! :p
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:51 am

hehe never sella trinket ^^ even at a later expansion it could be great.

eg: sindragosa 25 HM Trinket for yorshaj was amazing.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Marilee » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:36 am

To answer myself, Theck made a new blog post that sums things up nicely as well. ;)
http://sacredduty.net/2012/08/27/patch-5-0-4-round-up/
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Sagara » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:43 am

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:01 pm

Oh dear - I just logged on post-patch and started to think about reforging my gear to meet the hit and expertise caps. Then I found I had not reforged out of hit and expertise, so there were no easy gains to be made by reversing that. Worse still, almost none of my gear actually has any hit or expertise - I've been so successful in picking mastery/avoidance gear, I only have the tier gloves and twilight claw ring with any noticeable threat stats on. Getting hit/expertise capped is going to be harder than I anticipated...

I'll have to start looking at my previous threat sets, but they included markedly lower ilevel pieces.
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Postby Fenrìr » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:41 am

It's not that hard to get exp/hit capped even with current gear. Sure, you may sacrifice some dodge/parry/mastery, but the trade off in better HP generation is well worth it.
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