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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:52 am

Worldie wrote:Remember that (despite anyone can say) your job is also dealing damage. The more dps you perform, the more slack you can carry from the dps.


And if none are slacking then you are also helping end the fight faster. SD lets you get 2 birds with one stone, to some extent.

as for the buffs... depends on the raid. In LFR or PUG'ed raids, I'd assume you have MOW/kings and any food/flask you use. I wouldn't bank on having folks maintaining buffs properly... though that's a subjective call.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Wonton » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:25 pm

Alright, gemmed and enchanted everything, and this item set works. I went for the unbuffed CTC of 101.19%, with the assumption that a Battle Shout, Kings, and the Parry food (which was surprisingly cheap at 30g a stack) will put me at 102.41%. Equipped item level is now 382, feels good. I might even start looking for some DS 10 next week. :D
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:30 am

Wonton wrote:Alright, gemmed and enchanted everything, and this item set works. I went for the unbuffed CTC of 101.19%, with the assumption that a Battle Shout, Kings, and the Parry food (which was surprisingly cheap at 30g a stack) will put me at 102.41%. Equipped item level is now 382, feels good. I might even start looking for some DS 10 next week. :D


I would assume you get better CTC coverage from using the dodge food / feast - I have a hard time imagining that you have more dodge rating than parry rating (due to STR-> Parry) - even though at least I'm within 200 rating of eachother in my set for elixir usage.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenrìr » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:45 am

One thing you may do as well, is use the Mastery/stam food. While mastery beyond the cap is wasted, it can allow a gem or two to swap to a stam one or even a mastery/stam in a yellow/blue socket.

Netting you a little more health.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:41 am

Darklya wrote:Morning All,

Ok i've come to these boards for advise, you guys always seem friendly and helpful unlike a lot of other Forums. I've geared through raid finder, but will be tanking with my guild this weekend (work has messed up my other weeks of raiding)

My problem is that i've recently managed to get to the Block cap numbers. But Since then i've managed to pick up a couple of options for Trinkets. I would also like a little help with my gemming, since i've almost always played dps or healer the gemming has always been easy. But with a tank i've just gone and tried to match all socket bonus for as much mitigation as possible.

This is how i'm geared at the moment

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/d ... lya/simple

Ok Trinket question 1st

ok i know Fire of the Deep is a good trinket and that's a keeper, my question is what should i use for my 2nd trinket.
I have 3 options
SoulShifter Vortex (raid Finder) http://www.wowhead.com/item=77970
Spidersilk Spindle (normal) http://www.wowhead.com/item=68981
Veil of Lies http://www.wowhead.com/item=72900

My 1st thought looking at them was that Soulshifter Vortex was the best, but since i've reached Block capped i'm not to sure. As what does all the extra Mastery from proc help with ? So i wasn't sure if this just ends up as a Stam trinket or if the proc on mastery is still useful or if it's just good for certain fights.

Then I thought I could equip Spidersilk Spindle, And change some of my Gemming/Reforging about. As equipping this puts me to about 108.74%

3 I thought that Veil of lies could be useful do to the proc being Dodge so it means that more pure mitigation over blocked blows. And it's only 34 Stam less than the Soulshifter.

Any advise would be great. Thanks in Advance
Darklya


I missed this earlier - but I still recommend folks go get the Mirror of Broken Images from Tol Barad. Depending on where you are in rep, it may not be that big a grind and will net you a really handy magic resistance trinket with mastery on it (IIRC, with resistance aura and kings/MOW up, the on-use takes you up to something crazy like 50-60% damage reduction from magic for its duration). I've found it useful, and nothing is stopping you from swapping out for fights where you want one of the others instead.

As Wonton mentioned, soulshifter vortex you'd only be wearing for the stamina if you want to stay CTC-capped with 100% uptime- it's a pretty poor trinket for prot pallies at the moment. So I too would probably go with veil of lies out of your list.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:48 am

Fenrìr wrote:One thing you may do as well, is use the Mastery/stam food. While mastery beyond the cap is wasted, it can allow a gem or two to swap to a stam one or even a mastery/stam in a yellow/blue socket.

Netting you a little more health.


I do this, letting me move a couple gems around since I can always go catch or buy lavascale catfish. It's also why I pretty much never eat from the feasts dropped in raids, unless I'm dpsing, since it'll likely give you dodge (maybe parry, I know I've never gotten mastery. presumably it isn't a possibility).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:18 am

It's dodge 100% of the time from the fish feast.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby benebarba » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:26 am

I figured it was something like that, but wasn't 100% sure.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Enliightened » Wed May 09, 2012 12:01 pm

Hello all!

I have been a reader on here for a while, but I recently got my pally to 85 and I am kinda stuck and dont know where to go from here...Also this was a boosted character from rez scroll so I havent done any profs yet either.

I am just wondering where would be a good place to start on getting geared and gems/enchants. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Here is my armory link: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/v ... d/advanced

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Thu May 10, 2012 5:43 am

Enliightened wrote:I am just wondering where would be a good place to start on getting geared and gems/enchants.


It sticks in my throat to say this (as I love tanking and dislike dpsing), but at this stage of the expansion, I would recommend that you play as retribution for a bit while you accumulate tank gear. With your crafted PvP gear, I think you have the ilevel to do the three Hour of Twilight heroics. Just chain running these gives you access to a full set of 378 drops as well as the JPs/VPs to buy other gear. Do that until you get the ilevel to run looking for raid (372 iirc), which will give you extra VPs and the chance of getting tier tokens, which you can use for tank stuff.

The reason I recommend playing as dps while you gear up is that PUGs may be very intolerant of undergeared tanks (pvp gear in particular will be a red-rag to them) and you risk being abused or kicked, which is just not fun. If your dps is not stellar, on the other hand, you'll probably escape much comment and almost certainly won't be kicked. While running as dps you will still get a good chance at tank drops. Etiquette implies let the tanks get first priority in 5 mans but typically they won't need the gear. In LFR, the tier tokens are for everyone and pure tank drops are a little less important, with only 2 tanks in the raid meaning they may well not want the drops anyway.

One you get bona fide tank gear (ie replace the PvP crafted gear) of the right level to do HoTs and LFR, then by all means tank but I would not stress yourself by doing it prematurely.

For gems and enchants, you need gold (although running 5 mans may give you a nice supply of enchant mats). Dailies are one way to get gold. I found Firelands dailies to be the least obnoxious while Tol Barad may be the most rewarding (that trinket, Mirror of Broken images, is still very good for the latest raid). I would at least gem and enchant 378+ gear.

I would work on your professions, just to get in shape for MoP. One gathering and one crafting can be quite painless to level. I did mining/jc on my first alt and levelling the profs seemed a breeze, plus they were quite useful profs in general and particularly for tanking. That combo could well solve your problem of gemming your gear: your mining will give you raw gems, your JCing will allow you to cut them. On my second alt, I am going herb/alchemy and levelling it is also easy although I would not have herbing on a main. My main is mining/BS and I recall BS was a pain to level; it's probably better now.

Finally, I hope you are in a good guild. They can help enormously - doing enchants or crafting gems for free (if you provide the mats) and grouping with you to help you get your first taste of tanking new instances. If you want to raid normals or heroic raids, being in an active guild is next to essential. Depending on your server, there may be PUG raids, but the full experience comes from raiding with a group of friends.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Enliightened » Thu May 10, 2012 8:51 am

Thanks for the awesome response, this is the exact reason I came here and not somewhere else. Everyone here is always very helpful! I really appreciate that. Mining/JC are gonna be my profs. Trying to convince my wife to mine for me while I am at work/school lol.

I am in a GREAT guild, and I am gonna start running heroics with them so I can start getting better gear. I do okay in normals, which I am doing simply for JP, so I can get my hands on some better pieces. The crafted pvp was better than what I had, that's why I went with those. They actually helped tremendously and made it easier on me. The random dungeon groups I have been getting into lately have been tremendous. Most of the dungeons are a breeze because the dps is usually through the roof.

As for going ret my gear for that is downright terrible havent upgraded since lvl 82 lol. I think my guild is more than willing to help me with getting better gear while tanking the dungeons. Luckily we have crazy dps and amazing heals.

Thanks again for the well-thought-out response.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Bakey » Thu May 17, 2012 8:27 am

A trinket question for you guys. I managed to pick up Indomitable Pride out of LFR last night, and I'm not sure what trinkets to use now. Armory link:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/w ... n/advanced

We're clearing 10N DS now, and I've got the 2 trinkets shown, the normal Resolve of Undying, and now the LFR Indomitable Pride. Should I drop Fire of the Deep and regem for the lost mastery to run primarily Pride and Veil? I'd been swapping Veil out for Resolve during the Blackthorn fight, should I keep doing that?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Thu May 17, 2012 9:28 am

I can't look at your link atm so I can't say for sure, but until I get a chance here are some thoughts.

Resolve is pretty bad... Of the four I would go with IP and FotD for all of the fights in DS normal.

FotD over VoL for two reasons. The higher itemization from FotD could net you more stam because you will be able to convert gems to pure stam gems and the on use dodge is much better than the random proc dodge on VoL.

On Blackharon specifically I still don't like Resolve over FotD and IP. The IP shield proc tends to be quite good on Blackhorn because his melee and all of his abilities hit fairly hard and FotD on use is good for slowing/stopping the debuff stacking and reducing DTPS while your OT's stacks drop. Since you wont be tanking the entirety of P2 in most circumstances the dodge from resolve loses some value when compared to the on demand dodge from FotD and the shield proc from IP.

Edit: Just checked your link and imported your toon into Chardev.org real quick, everything looks good for the most part. Just thought I would mention that with kings, horn and dodge food you are 103.16 CTC. If you're using mastery food and elixirs than you are even further over the cap. You can start converting dodge and parry into expertise/hit with reforging or you can start swapping out green and purple gems for pure stam gems or a mix of both. It depends on what you feel would benefit you and your group more.

Theck has compiled some information found in the link below that will help you efficiently prioritize which socket bonuses should be skipped if you decide to go that route.

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32711
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thegreatiam » Sat May 26, 2012 3:39 am

http://armorylite.com/us/blackrock/overkilladin/

Just curious here, as I'm currently 103.16% CTC without buffs, what you guys would recommend for reforging/gems/etc. I'm working on trying to get this all figured out in between workdays, but I'm not having a lot of luck.

What does dodge food + full raid buffs get me towards CTC? Should I consider mastery food instead?

Any other advice for me?

As always guys, thanks for whatever input you have time to give :) Time for sleep...
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Sat May 26, 2012 5:44 am

The amount of CTC gained through buffs and food will vary based on diminishing returns. But it's generally a little over 1%; 1.15% in your specific setup.

Ask Mr. Robot is actually a pretty good resource in your case, because you can use the default settings. Just bringing up your character, it immediately tells me that you're at 104.3% with raid buffs, so you can shed some mastery for more stamina.

There are two noticeable gear upgrades you can pick up from valor: Forgesmelter Waistplate and Fire of the Deep. Neither of these are ilvl upgrades, but they're both better itemized than what you're wearing. The belt will net you a socket and let you trade a bunch of hit for more mastery (and subsequently more stamina from gemming). The trinket replaces the extremely poor Resolve of the Undying, again giving you much more CTC and letting you shift mastery gems to stamina. I'd also recommend using Indomitable Pride instead of Soulshifter Vortex, if you can get your hands on it, since Soulshifter's proc is useless.

Making those two gear upgrades and letting Mr. Robot optimize your enchants/gems/reforges, you gain 1577 stamina, or a little over 22k health.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thegreatiam » Sat May 26, 2012 11:16 am

I have FotD, but I've been led to believe that once I've reached CTC, I should be trying to maximize my pure avoidance stats and ideally losing it.

I'll pick up the belt next time I get a chance, and utilize Mr. Robot sometime after work. I did notice just now that expertise has been weighted very low, is it not recommended to soft cap expertise to eliminate boss parry anymore? How severely will that affect my damage/threat output?

Should I be trying to convince my guild to go back and do H-FL for that trinket?

Last but not least, SBV meta > Armor meta, is that right?

Thanks, Theck! Too bad you're on Alliance and I can't bug you in-game ;-)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Sat May 26, 2012 11:47 am

Thegreatiam wrote:I have FotD, but I've been led to believe that once I've reached CTC, I should be trying to maximize my pure avoidance stats and ideally losing it.

Some people advocate that route. I personally don't, because it doesn't suit the content and because I think the fundamental premise behind stacking avoidance is flat-out wrong. Dragon Soul throws a lot of un-blockable, un-avoidable damage at you, which makes both mastery and avoidance weaker. More to the point, the basic idea behind stacking avoidance is that a tank that takes 1-2% less damage is magically better somehow. That's the part I think is wrong - taking less damage is good, of course, but it's not as good as the alternative, which is giving your healers more breathing room with extra stamina. With the amount of overheal and near-limitless mana regen that we see in T13 content, taking 1-2% less damage just turns into noise fluctuations.

Thegreatiam wrote:I'll pick up the belt next time I get a chance, and utilize Mr. Robot sometime after work. I did notice just now that expertise has been weighted very low, is it not recommended to soft cap expertise to eliminate boss parry anymore? How severely will that affect my damage/threat output?

Most tanks aren't focusing on hit/exp at all, and haven't all expansion. Bosses don't get parry-haste anymore, so parry-gibs aren't a concern. All hit/exp does for you right now is increase DPS and give you more reliable Holy Power generation. Those aren't negligible benefits, but in terms of raw survivability they're not that compelling. Threat is a non-issue since the threat modifier buff - after the first 30 seconds, you can basically auto-attack and Vengeance will hold aggro for you (note that I'm not recommending this, mind you).

I'll note that there are exceptions here. Many of us built a high-DPS set for Ultraxion because he didn't tax tanks very much, but had a tight enrage timer. In addition, hit/exp-stacking is more common and more beneficial in 10-man raids, where the tank's DPS is a more significant portion of raid DPS. In 25-mans though, it's rarely considered important.

Thegreatiam wrote:Should I be trying to convince my guild to go back and do H-FL for that trinket?

If you're talking about Indomitable Pride, it's a Dragon Soul drop. But it's one of the shared loot drops, so it can be fairly rare.

Thegreatiam wrote:Last but not least, SBV meta > Armor meta, is that right?

In general, yes, but note that the same rationale for stam-stacking instead of dodge/parry-stacking applies here too. Most of the dangerous damage in Dragon Soul isn't blockable, which would tend to favor the armor meta (example: Impale). However, a lot of it is also magical, which negates either bonus. In my opinion, pick whichever one is best for the fight you're currently progressing on. I'd use SBV for Morchok, Ultrax, Blackhorn, and Spine. I'd use armor for Hagara and Madness (Impale). Also consider there's a spell damage reduction meta, which might be the best choice for Zon'ozz, Yor'sahj, and Madness (Tetanus).

Thegreatiam wrote:Thanks, Theck! Too bad you're on Alliance and I can't bug you in-game ;-)

You could just visit Stormwind and mime your questions. There's nobody left on Alliance to try to kill you anyway! :P
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Thegreatiam » Sat May 26, 2012 6:18 pm

Sorry for the terrible transition, but I was referring to the trinket that I see you wearing on the armory from hc beth :)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Bakey » Sun May 27, 2012 2:16 pm

Gab wrote:Edit: Just checked your link and imported your toon into Chardev.org real quick, everything looks good for the most part. Just thought I would mention that with kings, horn and dodge food you are 103.16 CTC. If you're using mastery food and elixirs than you are even further over the cap. You can start converting dodge and parry into expertise/hit with reforging or you can start swapping out green and purple gems for pure stam gems or a mix of both. It depends on what you feel would benefit you and your group more.

Theck has compiled some information found in the link below that will help you efficiently prioritize which socket bonuses should be skipped if you decide to go that route.

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32711


Thanks for the heads up and the link. I know I'm a bit over CTC right now, and I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to swap out to all epic gems for a few more K health. We're farming 10N now (when we can get people to show) so I'm not really hurting for more stam. Also, I'm using dodge food and cauldron flask, so not wasting a ton of mastery there.

At any rate, I'm going to try IP and FotD as my 2 trinkets for a while and see how it goes.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Mon May 28, 2012 4:11 pm

Thegreatiam wrote:Sorry for the terrible transition, but I was referring to the trinket that I see you wearing on the armory from hc beth :)

Oh, that one? I don't think it's worth going back to farm it if you don't have it. I use it because I can't easily shed more mastery, so the extra mastery on Fire of the Deep doesn't do me any good, and I prefer the absorb effect to the on-click avoidance cooldown (mostly because again, avoidance doesn't help me in the two situations I care about: Impale and Tetanus).

In your situation, I'd probably stick with the Fire, since you can use that extra mastery to gem more stamina.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Mon May 28, 2012 11:42 pm

Most of the dangerous damage in Dragon Soul isn't blockable, which would tend to favor the armor meta (example: Impale)




euhm sorry but, as far as I know Impale ignores armor....
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby theckhd » Tue May 29, 2012 5:24 am

Schroom wrote:
Most of the dangerous damage in Dragon Soul isn't blockable, which would tend to favor the armor meta (example: Impale)

euhm sorry but, as far as I know Impale ignores armor....


Looks like you're correct. The base damage is only 1.2M on heroic. For some reason I was under the impression that it did, and that the base damage was ~2.5M.

So Impale doesn't favor any meta in particular, I guess.
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What to do after being CTC capped

Postby trebla57 » Wed May 30, 2012 5:44 pm

I tried posting earliar but I guess I did it in the wrong place and it was taken down. So here I am...

Anyway, I have a CTC capped pally tank and was wondering if I am doing the right thing by taking out my former Mastery/Stamina gems and replacing them with all pure stam gems. Those slots where all blue and I decided before CTC cap that putting in Mastery/Stamina gems was the way to go, but once I started getting gear to get me CTC capped I had to loose some mastery. I figured taking those green gems out and replacing them with full Stamina gems was the best solution at the time. Generally I don't gem for dodge, neither do I take dodge trinkets, because of diminishing returns. I feel that taking extra dodge where you could have got something else like stam or mastery is just worth more point for point because of diminishing returns on dodge and parry.

Also, I just got a new piece, the 397 glove tier piece for a pally tank. My last pair of gloves had a blue socket so I just put a 101 stamina gem in that socket but now the slot is yellow, put a blue gem in there anyway and was wondering what you guys thought about that. Here is my character:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... e/advanced

Another reason why I decided to take stam over dodge or parry for that matter is because dodge and parry don't help to mitigate magic damage, but stam does help, a small amount at least.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Baneslayer » Wed May 30, 2012 5:59 pm

Hmm so tier 13 shoulders (lvl 397) versus heroic Brackenshell Shoulderplates (lvl 410) for stacking stamina for heroics?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Shoju » Thu May 31, 2012 9:07 am

Baneslayer wrote:Hmm so tier 13 shoulders (lvl 397) versus heroic Brackenshell Shoulderplates (lvl 410) for stacking stamina for heroics?


If you can stay block capped, and maintain your 4pc while wearing Brackenshell the higher ilvl piece will *almost* always win out.
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