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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Reviaull » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:29 pm

Hey, I've been on break for quite a few months before the new Heroics came out. I was just wondering as is am I able to tank and not be a mana sink with my gear?

Armory http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ull/simple

Thanks a ton. I'm just worried that my health is a bit low.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:26 am

Reviaull wrote:Hey, I've been on break for quite a few months before the new Heroics came out. I was just wondering as is am I able to tank and not be a mana sink with my gear?

Armory http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/s ... ull/simple

Thanks a ton. I'm just worried that my health is a bit low.


really sorry it took me so long to reply.

you do have adequate ilvl to get into the new heroics and they are not hard and there are sone quest rewards that will bump your ilvl quite nicely

two things
a) get the tb mastery trinket if possible, it is still a really good trinket to have
b) your priority for vp purchases are cloak, relic, neck and ring there are no upgrades in that slot in ds, whether normal or lfr. you do get a ring from lfr/normal ds, but you do have two ring slots

i would like to check your stuff better but i am currently unavailable to do so as i am using my phone to check the internet, just opening your armory was a pain in the ass
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Nooska » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:46 am

In regards to rings, I would argue that the Curled Twilight Claw is better than the Signet of the Resolute VP ring. Before DR on avoidance, the VP ring is 1.89% CtC, while the Curled Twilight Claw is 2.475% CtC before possibly reforging the hit - assuming full CtC in DS gear, neither ring gains a socket bonus from gemming stamina, and the 10 parry rating bonus from a mastery gem in the VP ring is far from enough to make up for the additional CtC from the claw.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:49 am

Nooska wrote:In regards to rings, I would argue that the Curled Twilight Claw is better than the Signet of the Resolute VP ring. Before DR on avoidance, the VP ring is 1.89% CtC, while the Curled Twilight Claw is 2.475% CtC before possibly reforging the hit - assuming full CtC in DS gear, neither ring gains a socket bonus from gemming stamina, and the 10 parry rating bonus from a mastery gem in the VP ring is far from enough to make up for the additional CtC from the claw.


fair point, which is why i listed the ring last.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:33 am

Reviaull wrote:I was just wondering as is am I able to tank and not be a mana sink with my gear?


You comfortably meet the ilevel requirements for the new Heroics and given you can tank the Zuls, you should have no problems with them - they are much easier in terms of mechanics, IMO. I would not worry about being a mana sink - that was a T11 era issue; nowadays, healers don't seem to have mana problems in 5 mans. Your health may low for raiding, but it should be fine for 5 mans.

Your immediate goal should be hitting the ilevel requirements for LFR. One thing to consider is going in as dps. It is much less stressful and to a large extent what you want to get out of LFR, VPs and tier items, you can get by going as dps as easily as by going as tank. When you feel suitably geared up, you may run as tank.

Your intermediate goal will be getting into proper DS raids and that will depend largely on your guild or your server PUGs. Getting to around ilevel 378 objectively should be good enough to tank normal raids.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby palapower » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:51 pm

Hi !
I got the Leg Token last night and I am not on Heroic gear yet ! So, would you advice me to change my Crafted Legs ?
Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/a ... r/advanced
I seems not advantage right now, the off-set legs give me soooo much mastery ! Seems better than the set.
But ... i got Immolation Shoulderguards Heroic (322) which is gain in mastery more than Off-set Legs(260). So, im thinking im switch off-set Legs for the Set One and replace set shoulder with Immolation Shoulderguards Heroic one, until i get Heroic Morchok one.
Ok the Shoulders are 8 ilvls difference, but that does not really matters, does it :) ? Also, im keeping 4pc which helps my 10m group a lot.

Edit: Well, i played around with chardev.org and missed about 100 Health, from 212010 to 211939. But the gain in terms of Avoidance were nice boost, from 15% both to 17.10% both !!! I think it a nice gain !!! And not so bad 100 less health !

Here is my link to chardev (amazing site btw).
http://chardev.org/?profile=375763

I got the 3 Trinkets from Dragon Soul, but i dont feel like stamina is problem for 10M normal, so i equipped the Dodge one.

Edit: Actually, i forced reforge and gemming to raise dodge/parry from 15% to 20% right now, lost about 14k life.

I need some advice, correct me if im wrong or missed some point !
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Wonton » Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:50 pm

Alright, I got a few 378 drops from the Hour of Twilight dungeons, and bought a few VP items.

Am I ready to tank LFR Dragon Soul? Or am I going to get 2 shot?

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby gronc2 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:40 am

palapower,

the only think that I would say is increasing your dodge and parry doesn't help you much against most of the damage in DS as it unavoidable. Even the physical damage like Hagara, and impale won't be affected by avoidance. Therefore stamina would seem more important to me.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby gronc2 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:43 am

Wonton wrote:Alright, I got a few 378 drops from the Hour of Twilight dungeons, and bought a few VP items.

Am I ready to tank LFR Dragon Soul? Or am I going to get 2 shot?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced


I would run lfrs you should be fine. But try and get the Tol Barad trinket Mirror, that will help you alot in dealing with the shadow damage. Getting atleast a two piece from the LFRs will help quite a bit.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Wonton » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:43 pm

gronc2 wrote:
Wonton wrote:Alright, I got a few 378 drops from the Hour of Twilight dungeons, and bought a few VP items.

Am I ready to tank LFR Dragon Soul? Or am I going to get 2 shot?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced


I would run lfrs you should be fine. But try and get the Tol Barad trinket Mirror, that will help you alot in dealing with the shadow damage. Getting atleast a two piece from the LFRs will help quite a bit.

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Is that trinket really necessary? Resistance Aura already gives 195 Shadow resistance, and I'd rather get the HUGE chunk of mastery that the VP trinket gives so I can finally hit the CTC cap.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Gab » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:53 pm

Wonton wrote:
gronc2 wrote:
Wonton wrote:Alright, I got a few 378 drops from the Hour of Twilight dungeons, and bought a few VP items.

Am I ready to tank LFR Dragon Soul? Or am I going to get 2 shot?

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/k ... m/advanced


I would run lfrs you should be fine. But try and get the Tol Barad trinket Mirror, that will help you alot in dealing with the shadow damage. Getting atleast a two piece from the LFRs will help quite a bit.

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Is that trinket really necessary? Resistance Aura already gives 195 Shadow resistance, and I'd rather get the HUGE chunk of mastery that the VP trinket gives so I can finally hit the CTC cap.


For normal modes? Not really necessary especially with the ongoing nerf (which might be bumped up to 15% tomorrow). It is, however, very helpful for Zon'ozz and Yor'sahj heroics but again I wouldn't say it's absolutely necessary. Overall it's a great trinket though.

2pc LFR really isn't much of a game changer. You will reduce your overall damage taken slightly but it really isn't very important, as the absorb is quite small and you are never going to hold up a judgement or change rotation to get the shield up at a specific time. The LFR tier pieces are not a very large upgrade over 378 pcs that are well itemized. The shield from 2 pc will very rarely, if ever, save you in a death scenario and generally the shield is small enough where it alone will not change your healers behaviors. Not a very important bonus imo.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby gronc2 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:13 pm

yeah ctc cap is most important, the vp trinket can help you get there.

The mirror is a great trink for zon'ozz and Yor'sahj as well as the elementium terrors on madness.

I felt the two piece bonus helped, the four piece helps the raid alot especially when you get to the intense parts of yor or madness

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:43 pm

Wonton wrote:Is that trinket really necessary? Resistance Aura already gives 195 Shadow resistance, and I'd rather get the HUGE chunk of mastery that the VP trinket gives so I can finally hit the CTC cap.


Also, don't forget to glyph divine protection - that will help a lot with the magic damage that the mirror also assists with. The trinket is not necessary, but you can alternate it's use with divine protection to give you a great CD always available for Zonozz's pyschic drain and Yorshaj's stacking debuff. Most of the time, I wear the VP one but switch for those two bosses.

The mirror is probably the single most overpowered piece of tank gear in Cataclysm. I think Blizzard have said it was so good, we'll never see its like again. For shame. :cry:
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Era » Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:14 pm

I couldn't find any specific numbers on this, although I'll admit I didn't search outside of Maintankadin forums. Is there a point in gearing where Austere (+armor) meta gem becomes preferable to the Eternal (+block)?
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 pm

Theck has crunched the numbers:

viewtopic.php?p=635167#p635167

It looks like no, once you are block capped, the eternal is better for relevant amounts of armour. If HS is up, there is literally no amount of armour that would make it worse.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Era » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:29 am

econ21 wrote:Theck has crunched the numbers:

viewtopic.php?p=635167#p635167

It looks like no, once you are block capped, the eternal is better for relevant amounts of armour. If HS is up, there is literally no amount of armour that would make it worse.


Ah, so that's why I didn't find it with search - the post doesn't actually name neither Austere nor Eternal! ^^ Thanks! :wink:
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby gronc2 » Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:39 am

Don't know if this is "legal" hope so

But just wanted to say thanks to everyone on this whole site. I have learned so much. Last night had my first Normal Madness kill. Which might not seem like much but this is my first toon, on my first mmo ever, and it feel like an accomplishment. So thanks again.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cema » Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:25 pm

No really prot related

I'm currently trying to find a way (for my ret spec) to have 5 stacks of Apparatus of Khaz'goroth at the beginning of a fight to use it with my first Avenging wrath / zealotry / prepot / Goak

Main problem is : the buff lasts 30 seconds ... so I have to crit something less than 30 seconds before the pull
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:14 am

vote for buildable trainingdummy ^^
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Katzie » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:26 am

Hello again! Thanks to the awesome info by Fenrir I've been able to itemize my gear better.

I would like to ask you all again to critique my gear and gemming selections. If you can point out any mistakes or think you can improve my stamina a bit (I am most likely going the stamina route, since as of now I just pug groups and am not in a core group, unless there is a significant advantage over avoidance or DPS that stacking stam isn't the way to go). Also, would like to know what to gem my red sockets with? Should I go 25 exp + 25 mastery, 25 parry + 25 mastery, or 25 parry and 37 stam? Thanks!!

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/y ... t/advanced

Also, I went Windwalk, because I've read many things on Windwalk vs Landslide vs Weapon Chain, and to me, with my Parry being 1% over Dodge when fully buffed, Windwalk doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Postverta » Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:28 am

Quick question, would the proc rate from RF souldrinker make it a better pick than a DS normal hand of morchok and the stat reallocation I could do with gems and such, so basically, is the dps of souldrinker and survivability it provides better than the stamina stacking I could do with the hand of morchok?

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:36 pm

I got souldrinker normal and Hand of Morchok HM. and it depends. I am easily at block cap with souldrinker, and the plus on DPS with souldrinker is really nice. although the healing procc is a nice feature, your healers won't really see a difference tho, the ticks are about 2.8k average, having over 240k HP raidbuffed on our last Ultraxion HM encounter.
The encounter was 5:02 mins and the healing procced about 29 times, which was 83k overall. so not even half of my health pool in 5 minutes.

so, do you a) need more tank dps to beat an enrage or b) out gear the content and want to do more dps for shits and giggles -> souldrinker
do you need a bit more HP and more CTC because the boss demands it -> hand of Morchok.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:16 am

Postverta, I went with Souldrinker and even put Landslide on it, so that tells you something about my priorities.

However, one thing I have noticed is that I often swap trinkets from Fire of the Deep to either Mirror of Broken Images (Zonozz, Yorshaj) or Stay of Execution (Madness). This lowers my CTC. So I either waste mastery on my main set or go under 102.4% CTC if I switch trinkets for specfic fights. It might be smart to use Hand of Morchok to make up some of the difference. If I am lucky enough to get a heroic HoM, I'd probably put windwalk on it. I'd probably need more of a gear switch than just the weapon, especially with stay of execution, to keep at 102.4% but it would be a start.

If I read Theck's numbers right, SD is slightly better dps than a Hand of Morchok of a lower tier, but the difference is small (160 dps comparing normal SD with heroic HoM) so that probably should not phase us if we are focussed on survival.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fenrìr » Thu Apr 05, 2012 3:46 am

For those of you who use WoWReforge.com, how many of you use custom stat weights to balance 8% hit/26 exp while maintaining tCTC? If you do, what are your stat weights?

I always feel like my reforging/gemming needs a bit of work (in an OCD sort of way). So I'd like to get this to work since I don't trust AMR to do it. I do use Chardev, but again, I feel that I may be missing something.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby gronc2 » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:38 am

just a quick question

If I gem and reforge planning on using food and elixirs to get me to ctc, is that a bonus to gemming and reforging to reach cap and using food and flasks for stamina? If there is a difference is it significant enough that I being poor, and pushing the limits of my time online, (after 25 years wife still wants to spend time with me... go figure), should spend what meager resources I have on food and elixirs? The guild provides feasts and flasks, and occasional help with special needs.

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