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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Era » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:24 am

Alright, thanks for the replies people. :) I've been spending quite a bit of time getting my dodge/parry balanced while raid buffed, so I was worried that it was all for naught.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Hrobertgar » Thu Jan 26, 2012 8:42 am

For my tank, who generally doesn't run as much in the way of heroics, I had like 10%+ dodge/13%+ parry in FL, but that was the best I could do to reach CTC cap thru Mastery given what was available to me at the time. So I ran with a significant imbalance for quite some time.

Now, so much of the gear has so much dodge/parry on it and again few Mastery drops other than LFR tier that I now have am close to even at like 17%+ dodge/18%+ parry at CTC. I would rather convert more dodge/parry into Mastery and then convert some Mastery (gems/trinket and such) to pile on more stam or hit/exp, but I don't currently have the gear options for that.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Sun Jan 29, 2012 1:29 pm

hi guys,

I now got souldrinker Normal and souldrinker Raidfinder version.

No I thought of using souldrinker normal with windwalk as my standard tanking weapon. But i also had the idea of using my LFR version with landslide as a DPS alternative for fights where I might need a bit more dps. NOW is LFR souldrinker with Landslide from a DPS perspective, bether then Normal version Souldrinker with Windwalker? or is it not? :)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Era » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:09 pm

On a hunch I'd say there won't be much difference, if anything the Normal with Windwalk is better, but I'll leave the final say so to the mathematics. ;)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby econ21 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:46 pm

Era wrote:On a hunch I'd say there won't be much difference, if anything the Normal with Windwalk is better, but I'll leave the final say so to the mathematics. ;)


I think the maths agrees with your hunch. Theck crunched the relevant numbers in this post (and the one after on enchants):

viewtopic.php?p=593316#p593316

If I can read the numbers right, normal SD is about 377 dps better than LFR whereas landslide raises your dps by 253 (2% hit, 10 expertise, 939 SoT). Frees up a slot in ones bags, I guess.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:22 am

alright thank you very much then. a slot it is ;-)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby palapower » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:57 am

Hi guys !
I need some advice in gemming and on my gear.

I tested my CTC unbuffed and im currently on 102.42 (macro scripting to check). But i tested on LFR raid with Buffs and i got about 104.8 !

I tested some gems combinations and im cant use all Epic, mainly because i dont have money for those :).

I found a new core for testing and i need help to get better of my char. Our server is not so much active, so we are in DS normal progression yet.

Also, gemming for no Socket Bonus make sense right ? Since im going for Mastery then Stamina.I think something is wrong with my Dodge Parry, its hard to get both balanced at same %. Maybe its because the Socket Bonus.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Era » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:25 am

Armoury is down, so I can't really see your character atm. So for now, here's three videos you might consider watching! They're a bit outdated (made during the BoT/BWD era I believe), but the idea is mostly the same.

CTC cap theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXEPKURzXdQ
Gemming theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6r6RinPHjQ
Reforging thory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDpVXEn6vdc
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:44 am

I tested my CTC unbuffed and im currently on 102.42

But i tested on LFR raid with Buffs and i got about 104.8 !


seems quite logical to me to get more CTC raidbuffed than unbuffed? where is your question?

to get the most out of it I use RAWR and play around with reforging and gems until I'm Satisfied. you could try it out.

another "easier but less complex" alternative would be chardev.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Dibdib » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:54 am

palapower wrote:Hi guys !
I need some advice in gemming and on my gear.

I tested my CTC unbuffed and im currently on 102.42 (macro scripting to check). But i tested on LFR raid with Buffs and i got about 104.8 !

I tested some gems combinations and im cant use all Epic, mainly because i dont have money for those :).

I found a new core for testing and i need help to get better of my char. Our server is not so much active, so we are in DS normal progression yet.

Also, gemming for no Socket Bonus make sense right ? Since im going for Mastery then Stamina.I think something is wrong with my Dodge Parry, its hard to get both balanced at same %. Maybe its because the Socket Bonus.

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Sounds like you could possibly consider shedding a little mastery and replacing it with something else. Anything that takes you over 102.4% with your usual buffs is essentially wasted. You could then look at converting it to stamina, or hit/exp depending on your other stats and what you want to do with it.

How much you have to play with really depends on what groups you're usually in, and which buffs you can rely on having. A good starting point, for example, might be aiming for 102.4% with just Kings/Wild and a food buff but that's really up to you.

Personally, if I was in your shoes I'd consider maybe swapping some of your mastery gems for mastery/stam ones for a little more effective health (but obviously not too many to go under 102.4%).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:49 am

Schroom wrote:
I tested my CTC unbuffed and im currently on 102.42

But i tested on LFR raid with Buffs and i got about 104.8 !


seems quite logical to me to get more CTC raidbuffed than unbuffed? where is your question?

to get the most out of it I use RAWR and play around with reforging and gems until I'm Satisfied. you could try it out.

another "easier but less complex" alternative would be chardev.


I find it easier to play with Chardev.org -- it also allows you to toggle which buffs you have present so you can see how your ctc looks depending on which buffs you have on (kings, flasks, food, raid buffs)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Hrobertgar » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:25 am

Also, gemming for no Socket Bonus make sense right ? Since im going for Mastery then Stamina.I think something is wrong with my Dodge Parry, its hard to get both balanced at same %. Maybe its because the Socket Bonus.


I also find it difficult to get enough dodge to balance parry, but getting as clsoe as you reasonably can is fine if you are CTC capped. I would suggest since you are a bit over cap raidbuffed, that you consider re-gemming for socket bonuses for 'free' stats, or depending on your trinkets pick up a stam trinket.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:11 am

I find it easier to play with Chardev.org -- it also allows you to toggle which buffs you have present so you can see how your ctc looks depending on which buffs you have on (kings, flasks, food, raid buffs


same things are easy doable wirth rawr. as I said you can do everything in rawr you can also do in chardev, but you can also do more.

allthough chardev is easier to use.

I just prefer rawr (also because of the addon and the exe possibility), but can't argue about taste I guess ;-)
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:20 am

i got a brand new beefy machine, and it turns to molases whenever i want to run rawr
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Schroom » Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:58 am

mh strange never had any problem running it. not at home nor at work.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Klaudandus » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:09 am

I am not the only one that has experienced that.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby palapower » Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:48 pm

Hi guys !
Thanks for the answers and sorry about some confusion of my part, im brazilian and still learning English.

Schroom: I know sounds like obvious get buffed, maybe my question confused you sorry ! I was trying to say that for sure i was doing something wrong with gems and getting over CTC.

I will test for sure Chardev and Rawr (which i didn`t know both).
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Commonmind » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:23 am

Just looking for some general advice here. I'm trying to push for more stam, while keeping my CTC at the required limit. Obviously I could shave a bit more Mastery and count on raid buffs alone to bring me above cap, but I like knowing I am at 102.4 after Kings and food (Lavascale Minestrone) -- I feel more comfortable knowing I can always get there myself.

That being said, I would like to refocus my gems and reforges as I want to start pushing my guild through heroics and would like the extra health pool to give my healers more breathing room. I'm currently at 102.4 with self buffs, at around 199k health before raid buffs. I have many of the required trinkets for DS (save a normal Spindle instead of the heroic, and have not yet been lucky enough to grab a Pride). I also have some LFR pieces as I have missed several drops in normal modes, and I realize fixing this issue alone will probably quell a lot of my concerns. My healers, thankfully, say I am easy to heal, and I am self-aware enough to know that I'm a solid raid tank, but if there's anything I can do to improve progression and my own (or other members') survivability, I would like to make that happen.

My character name is Commonmind, and I'm on the Bleeding Hollow server.

I've been a MT in raiding guilds for years, but my extremely demanding work schedule (I'm a business owner) has made it difficult for me to invest the time required in finding out much of this info on my own, so I sincerely appreciate any tips or advice.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cowmmunion » Tue Feb 07, 2012 8:22 am

Your shoulders, hands, boots, and one ring have no mastery. I'd recommend reforging out of that avoidance and into mastery. This would allow you to replace some of your mastery gems with stamina gems. Also, your parry/dodge are unbalanced - at minimum reforge a bit of parry into dodge.

Feeling more 'comfortable' getting to the CTC cap yourself isn't a great reason, IMO, to go over the CTC cap in a raid. If you want to push the heroic modes, figure out what buffs you can count on and plan for those. You have no reason to be CTC capped for running 5 mans - you outgear those so hard at this point. You are essentially throwing away a few thousand health to feel 'more comfortable'.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Commonmind » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:11 am

Thanks for the advice Cow. I actually do keep the t13 legs in my bags for the four piece bonus, which I use situationally (and will use more frequently as we push through heroics). As for the extra CTC, I will take the dive and move some things around -- you're right, of course, and I already knew this myself to some extent. I'd like to say my logic here was that our core group has been going through a lot of changes and comps weren't reliable (since about the first of the year), but I already knew this wasn't sound logic, by any means, and our group is leveling out again.

Which gems do you recommend to fill up those yellow slots? Regal Elven's? (with some smart reforging into avoidance to maintain DR?)

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Rhiannon » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:32 am

Regal elvens are pretty much never the right choice. Use puissant if you can't get block cap from reforging alone, or if you feel the socket bonus is worth the loss of potential stamina. Use Deepholm Iolites otherwise.

Personally I wouldn't trade 38 stamina for 25 mastery and 10 avoidance rating unless I absolutely needed that mastery to reach block cap and it was the most efficient stamina->mastery conversion towards that end.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Cowmmunion » Tue Feb 07, 2012 10:05 am

I've been mostly just slotting in pure stamina Iolites. I've got 4 Puissants and 2 Defender's Shadow Spinels to pick up some socket bonuses, but I'm actually slightly schizophrenic with where I get socket bonuses. If I need just another 25 mastery to CTC cap, I might slot in a Peridot, where the next week I'll put in a solid stamina gem and give up a slightly better socket bonus. I'm not getting a 10 dodge, 20 parry, or a 30 parry socket bonus (all given up for pure stamina Iolites), but elsewhere I'm getting a +10 strength socket bonus, because at the time I socketed that Peridot, I needed the 25 mastery from it to hit 102.41 CTC raidbuffed.

I'm with Rhiannon on this, and Stamina stacking as much as possible at the moment. I'm also attempting to remain soft capped on expertise and getting my hit up when possible through reforging, as every little bit helps. We got our Ultrax kill last night (on our 8th pull on H ultrax) with 2 tanks and our rogue still standing - everything you can squeeze out matters.
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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Commonmind » Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:32 am

Great advice, all around. I am a bit OCD about socketing correctly and haven't considered wasting bonuses for stam in quite some time (like some of my other gearing choices, this has been mostly subjective and, I admit, probably not the most effective tactic moving into heroics -- fact is, I should've been reading these forums more frequently).

Iolites are readily available and not too pricey on my server, so I'll stack up whenever possible (throwing a few Puissants in where I am still being picky about socket bonuses) and reforge (I also need to work on my hit/exp as well -- far too many SotR misses than I am comfortable with).

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Taeron » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:18 am

Normal Souldrinker or Heroic Hand of Morchok?

Going into early heroic boss attempts on 10man with a stable CTC while using Souldrinker, but I'm unsure if the proc on the Souldrinker is worthy of keeping it around, given the opportunity for a bit more avoidance/damage/stamina using Hand of Morchok.

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Re: Gear Check/Advice Thread (All Specific Advice Requests H

Postby Fivelives » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:26 am

Simple question, and probably been answered before - but I don't have time to go through 358 pages to check.

Is it worth trading 17.5k health for 9% CTC, bringing me up to 95%? I don't have the gear available to hit 102.4 no matter how I try and configure it, and I haven't raided pretty much at all this expansion, so I'm limited to jp/vp and heroic drops as far as gear goes.
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