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Postby Lorath » Mon May 07, 2007 4:22 am

I have the Felsteel Helm atm, and am wondering if I should get the Stalwart crafted for me? I know the Felsteel will be buffed in 2.1, but I guess the Stalwart could be too. I have almost all mats and a good deal from a crafter.

My guild is currently in Kara, have downed Curator (and all 3 opera events) so far. Semi-casual guild so we don't min/max or raid 7 hrs a day.
Should I upgrade or stick with the Felsteel, or maybe even suck it down and pray a Eternium Greathelm (opera) drops? T4 helm (Prince) isn't realistic at this time. Opinions very welcome ^_^

Felsteel Helm
1206 Armor
+27 Stamina
...Red Socket
...Blue Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Hit Rating
Equip: Increases defense rating by 33.


Helm of the Stalwart Defender
1300 Armor
+47 Stamina
...Red Socket
...Yellow Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength
Equip: Increases defense rating by 23.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 23.


Eternium Greathelm
1030 Armor
+26 Strength
+42 Stamina
...Red Socket
...Yellow Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Dodge Rating
Equip: Increases defense rating by 29.
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Postby Lore » Mon May 07, 2007 6:48 am

I would wait a few days, there's a PTR patch coming that could potentially change both stalwart defender and eternium greathelm.
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Postby Torakka » Mon May 07, 2007 7:23 am

That 50 badge helm is another option you should consider.
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Postby Robbyneri » Mon May 07, 2007 8:42 am

If Protection T4 will be buffed too(It is with the changes> more Stamina, lower Intelligence already very good), I think it is a very good Helm for tanking, and my Favorite Choice.
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Postby Lorath » Mon May 07, 2007 9:01 am

Well T4 isn't in the calculations coz we haven't downed Prince yet and I'm not expecting the right token to drop, and for me to win it... not for quite some time.
Eternium seems unwilling to drop aswell.

The thing is, I really hate grinding. Currently at zero badges, that's a minimum of 50 badges (and 15 more for the relic btw) needed for the shopping... 33 more for the shield? It gets me down :(

Stalwart is available now... I would like it to have that feckin' resilience converted into a proper tank stat but I guess it's a wait'n'see scenario atm, like you pointed out. Maybe Felsteel will turn out to be good enough to make the Stalwart look like a weak upgrade, but that's not how the epics are intended to be - hence the reitemization in progress atm.
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Postby Barter » Mon May 07, 2007 9:18 am

well, they are upgrading most epics, not blues, so i doubt felsteel will be buffed
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Postby Lorath » Mon May 07, 2007 9:54 pm

Felsteel is buffed. Atm I think it was only upped armor but until patch is live, who knows.
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Postby Lorath » Wed May 09, 2007 6:40 am

Current PTR versions...


Felsteel Helm
1237 Armor (+31)
+27 Stamina
...Red Socket
...Blue Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Hit Rating
Equip: Increases defense rating by 33.
http://www.failsafedesign.com/maintanka ... .php?t=204


Helm of the Stalwart Defender
1366 Armor (+66)
+47 Stamina
...Red Socket
...Yellow Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Strength
Equip: Increases defense rating by 23.
Equip: Improves your resilience rating by 23.
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/upgrad ... fender.jpg


Eternium Greathelm
1178 Armor (+148)
+31 Strength (+5)
+48 Stamina (+6)
...Red Socket
...Yellow Socket
...Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +4 Dodge Rating
Equip: Increases defense rating by 34. (+5)
http://www.worldofraids.com/news/upgrad ... -opera.jpg

Looks like the Eternium just got zomgwtf-good. :O
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Postby Lorath » Sat May 12, 2007 2:36 am

I've decided to keep my Felsteel and hope for Eternium to drop. If I should somehow start mass-grinding in Heroics then who knows, might get that badges helm instead.
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Postby Daromire » Sat May 12, 2007 8:23 am

What is the badges helm called? I'm guessing this is next patch?
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Postby Lorath » Sat May 12, 2007 8:44 am

Heroic reward helm introduced in 2.1, cost is 50 badges atm.

Faceguard of Determination
1030 Armor
+33 Stamina
--Blue socket
-*-Meta socket
Socket bonus: +6 Stamina
Equip: Increases defense rating by 30.
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 22.
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 22.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/images/news ... heroic.jpg



I might as well add the new Engineering helm too.

Tankatronic Goggles
Binds when picked up
1296 Armor
+67 Stamina
--Yellow socket
-*-Meta socket
Socket bonus: +6 Stamina
Requires Engineering (350)
Equip: Increases defense rating by 38.
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 22.
Equip: Improves hit rating by 13.
Equip: Allows the detection of objects that are slightly out of phase, such as the arcane vortexes of Netherstorm.
Equip: Slightly increases your stealth detection.
Use: Allows you to look far into the distance.

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Postby DurWrathi » Sat May 12, 2007 9:00 am

It looks like they are actually on the right track with socket bonuses on the engineering tanking helm. Throwing a solid star in there will actually lose you total stats. Hooray for encouraging gem diversity.

Solid Star nets: +12 stamina
Enduring Tal nets: +12 stamina, +4 defense rating
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Postby Julian » Sat May 12, 2007 10:16 am

Lorath wrote:Heroic reward helm introduced in 2.1, cost is 50 badges atm.

Faceguard of Determination
1030 Armor
+33 Stamina
--Blue socket
-*-Meta socket
Socket bonus: +6 Stamina
Equip: Increases defense rating by 30.
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 22.
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 22.


The Faceguard has been updated since:

Faceguard of Determination
Binds when picked up
Head Plate
1129 Armor
+36 Stamina
Blue Socket
Meta Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Stamina
Durability 100 / 100
Requires Level 70
Equip: Increases defense rating by 32.
Equip: Increases your dodge rating by 24.
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 24.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32083

My feeling is that the massive chunk of block rating makes this an excellent choice for paladins who (like me) are still having to socket things for evasion elsewhere on their gear. You obviously give up some things as compared to stalwart defender, but this seems quite a bit better than Eternium to me.

I don't have the new stats on Tankatronic handy but I believe that the stats above are higher than what it currently is on the PTR.
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Postby Tybalt » Sat May 12, 2007 6:16 pm

And yet again, the T4 faceguard is totally worthless. Why would anyone take it over the Faceguard of Determination?

*sigh*

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Postby Mavrix » Sat May 12, 2007 7:31 pm

Seems to me that the updated/upgraded T4 helms is neck and neck with the herioc badge helm, honestly. Overall it will depend on if you need that block rating more or would rather have some extra int and spellpower.
IMHO, having both and using each situationally is probably the best option.
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