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Postby Romie » Mon May 07, 2007 7:20 pm

sigh engineer googles need nethers now. all the ones ive passed because thought id never need em :(
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Postby Mavrix » Mon May 07, 2007 8:27 pm

Looking over things, the Justicar helm and gloves (only items I'm looking at having at the moment) actually don't look half bad compared to the alternatives. I think the gloves might finally edge out felsteel.
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Postby Lore » Mon May 07, 2007 8:46 pm

I think I still prefer maiden gloves ever so slightly, but I'm going to make an effort to pick up the T4 gloves now.

Going from live to test with a fresh copy of my character (all the same items with the exception of adding Vambraces of Courage with +12 stam enchant and gem) my stats change as follows:

AC: 14494 -> 16393 (both are w/ devotion)
Def: 490 -> 505
Dodge: 16.05 -> 17.23
Parry: 16.17 -> 17.09
Block: 24.55 -> 26.04
+dmg: 254 -> 263 (plus my enchants now also apply to healing)
hp: 11337 -> 12297

All in all I'm pretty happy, I can play around with my avoidance (def in particular) a bit to try and boost my HP a little more now too.
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Postby Lore » Mon May 07, 2007 9:10 pm

Heroic libram got buffed, now gives 42 extra block rating (~0.32% extra block)
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Postby DracAlexstrasza » Mon May 07, 2007 9:15 pm

So many changes! If you have epics, go find out what you gain. ^_^

On the test realm, wearing the same gear, I gained about 760hp, 1765 armor, .97 dodge, .82 parry and 1.58 block.


HP 12077 12837
armor 13814 15579 (without aura, I didn't put pts in improved devo on test realm)
def 502 515
dodge 19.89 20.86
parry 16.92 17.74
block 18.77 20.35

Needless to say, I will be reconfiguring gems and gear once the patch hits. Probably going to get all pure stam gems and wear my moroes pocket watch.



Oh, and the Bloodmaw Magusblade gained 25 spell damage, 2 crit rat, 3 stam and 2 int.... and 6.4 white damage dps. It is now 47.7 dps. Yay.


(edited to fix my math hehe)
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Postby Lore » Mon May 07, 2007 9:28 pm

I still don't think Bloodmaw Magus-Blade is quite worth giving up the extra stam on Continuum Blade for.

However, as soon as we down Leotheras, I'm gonna be looking really closely at the Fang of the Leviathan. It's now 28 stam, 19 int, 20 spell crit, 209 +dmg. I think the +dmg increase would be worth it, reclaim a bit of my threat advantage ;)
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Postby DracAlexstrasza » Mon May 07, 2007 9:43 pm

Lore wrote:I still don't think Bloodmaw Magus-Blade is quite worth giving up the extra stam on Continuum Blade for.

However, as soon as we down Leotheras, I'm gonna be looking really closely at the Fang of the Leviathan. It's now 28 stam, 19 int, 20 spell crit, 209 +dmg. I think the +dmg increase would be worth it, reclaim a bit of my threat advantage ;)


I decided to go with the Magus Blade since as a tank I don't actually need dkp with items defaulted to me... no wait, I didn't say that, did I? hehe

But seriously, I think it was worth it since I'm only going to be wearing two "pally tanking" pieces for a long time in the future (t4 shoulders and helm) and possibly only one if I go for the helm from heroic badges. At this point I can't even come remotely near the warriors in stamina anyway, so I go with my strength, threat.

The fang from the leviathan is nifty, isn't it? Playing with it on the ptr was fun.
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Postby Torakka » Tue May 08, 2007 3:46 am

Damn those are nice changes indeed: if they go live I can replace all my remaining non-stamina gems with Solid Stars of Elune and even swap Devilshark Cape to Gilded Thorium Cloack and thus get something like 16k AC and 13.4k HP, unbuffed. That's over 2.2k more AC and over 1.2k more HP than I have atm, so this patch will be like having perma Flask of Titans (un-nerffed) and Stoneshield Potion on. :shock:

EDIT: But why, oh why did they "nerf" those shoulders from Netherspite and gave them some freaking red & yellow wrath model instead the so cool dreadnaught one? :cry:
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Postby Mavrix » Tue May 08, 2007 4:26 am

The updated/upgraded T4 pally helm looks to me to be superior to the helm from heroic badges, really. I guess it is somewhat debateable.
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Postby Dragonzbane » Tue May 08, 2007 9:49 am

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Postby Shai » Tue May 08, 2007 10:08 am

Dragonzbane wrote:Those links have been disabled, actually all links on that page have.


Just go to http://www.mmo-champion.com/ and click the links to see the stats, still works for me.
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Postby Arcand » Tue May 08, 2007 10:09 am

If you just go to http://www.mmo-champion.com, though, they've gone to a plain-text page with the links and pictures which works just fine.

I'm still not sure I'm excited about any tier 4 besides the shoulders, but Barbed Choker of Discipline is now a clear upgrade and Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden have gone from bleah to boo-yah. :D
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Postby Aergis » Tue May 08, 2007 12:27 pm

yeah, this is pretty nice. Went from 12.7k to 13.5k unbuffed hp, over 16,500 ac, 30 ish defense, and 1% block, parry, and dodge.

I can take off the Dabiri's insignia now and still hit 490 and uncrushable, leaving a free trinket slot for say.... 45 stam trinket =) :D That will put me at 14k hp unbuffed.

So yeah, like Torakka said, it's like a perma unerfed flask and stoneshield! woot!
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Postby honorshammer » Wed May 09, 2007 5:24 am

Were any changes made to D3?
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