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5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:24 am
by ZorKesh

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:04 am
by Alrinea
would be insane if that goes live, on wowhead it is stil the t15 itemization though. haste/parry sounds like actually useful gear :D

the rest of the t16 loot seems to be in, i filtered the pieces that are relevant for us: http://ptr.wowhead.com/items=4?filter=minle=553;maxle=553;ub=2;cr=20:96;crs=1:3;crv=0:0. kinda curious, there are 3 (!) plate tank bracers that are supposed to drop from bosses, and yet we want the dps version anyway (hit/haste). also 3 tank shields ... all of this indicates that the loot is far from finalized. think 2 tank shields per tier is the right amount amount (1 in t14 was too few for me tbh).
also, please direct your attention to this ring, a tank ring by name with a haste socket bonus.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:17 am
by ZorKesh
Alrinea wrote:on wowhead it is stil the t15 itemization though.

nope
http://ptr.wowhead.com/itemset=1188

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:30 am
by Alrinea
ZorKesh wrote:
Alrinea wrote:on wowhead it is stil the t15 itemization though.

nope
http://ptr.wowhead.com/itemset=1188

still shows t15 stats to me, and is not cached by my software. must be some sort of caching by my isp then.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:38 am
by Promdates
Alrinea wrote:the rest of the t16 loot seems to be in, i filtered the pieces that are relevant for us


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing All of the plate gear with Strength on it, sorted by slot with all current stat broken down.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:59 am
by Worldie
Wouldn't be so weird. After all it's last tier of the expansion, might as well be well itemized.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:30 am
by Treck
Who cares about t16 when t15 is so overpowered.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:37 am
by Sagara
Treck wrote:Who cares about t16 when t15 is so overpowered.


Wuh? o_O At first I thought this was Treck being playful, but then again, maybe he has seen a Light I am unable to grasp??
I thought our tier was awful as all hell and the trinkets were no better? (Well okay, maybe 4 pieces is nice)

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:32 am
by Promdates
Treck wrote:Who cares about t16 when t15 is so overpowered.


I love that our 4P bonus is so good. If you can use Divine Protection at specific times, you can game it and get 3+ holy power. I average around 5.8 hopo gained per Divine Protection use. Probably won't replace the 4P bonus until considerably into the tier.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:36 pm
by Treck
4p is obviously very dependant on the fights. (and im obviously only talking about tier pieces, not all gear this tier)
But with Divprot beeing 30sec CD, 10sec Duration, getting holy power every 20% of your HP for one third of the fight is amazing.
From PTR testing im closing on 90% SotR uptime due to that, and thats with ilvls scaled down to 520, and thats from 10man normalmode, we havnt even started seeing the dmg output of bosses in 25man heroic.
That and DivPurp should definately push up to a steady 100% uptime on SotR on pretty much all fights, or even having HA, as long as you are tanking and taking damage you will build up such a long SoTR that it just wont run out after first HA.

Also, a fight like Ra-den nets you 10+ holy power every time you use divprot, add a few Divpurp proccs and general HP generation, and you will be building SotR that never falls off.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:47 pm
by Sagara
I did wonder about all those effect boosting up DP (btw, doesn't the new trinket further reduces the CD?)
So early on, we're going to try and get that CD-reducing trinket, spec into Unbreakable Spirit, grab the T15 4P, and probably blowing Dprot whenever we're tanking something significant, maybe using HA to kickstart ShoTR when we taunt off the boss?

That's going to be interesting...

EDIT: Holy shiat, I did some Simcraft testing for my gear level (5/13H), I can actually drop my TMI from 3k to 2k by using the 4pcs >_>

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:55 am
by Thels
Treck wrote:From PTR testing im closing on 90% SotR uptime due to that, and thats with ilvls scaled down to 520, and thats from 10man normalmode, we havnt even started seeing the dmg output of bosses in 25man heroic.


Do you have a lot less health than you would have in your normal gearset?

Also, nice to hear it's quite effective on 10normal as well. Might considering gearing back to 4P then. I thought it was more of a 25heroic thing, due to the harder hitting bosses.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:02 am
by fuzzygeek
Treck wrote:That and DivPurp should definately push up to a steady 100% uptime on SotR on pretty much all fights, or even having HA, as long as you are tanking and taking damage you will build up such a long SoTR that it just wont run out after first HA.


I will be surprised if they don't squelch this somehow; they flipped the 2pc bonuses specifically to address 100% ShoTR uptime, didn't they?

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:16 am
by Promdates
double edit: I might be totally wrong about what I posted. Doing more research, it looks like T15 4P gave me +10.35 holy power per minute over the course of a 5:36 fight (58 HP Gained). That would put it into the 19.8k haste value.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:56 am
by Razeoflight
1h Mace Haste/Mastery 1 red socket boss 12

aye aye things are looking up blizz is is finally recognising prot pallys like haste im wondering if they are gonna put the bad boy i liked above on the prot pally loot table.
would feel pretty boned if we cant coin that thing :P looks like BiS to me.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:15 am
by Thels
With Haste being on our Tier set, it would be a tad odd, if they didn't add the Haste items to our prot loot table...

I noticed that mace... it looks amazing for us, and it's a mace, so humans and dwarves can rejoice :)

But yeah, it would be a little odd if Blizzard said "We acknowledge you're using Haste, and put it on your Tier set. However, if you want it, you still have to select Retribution."

I'm assuming that other than 2 handed weapons, all haste items that don't include crit are added to the protection table.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:56 am
by Newsom
Razeoflight wrote:1h Mace Haste/Mastery 1 red socket boss 12

aye aye things are looking up blizz is is finally recognising prot pallys like haste im wondering if they are gonna put the bad boy i liked above on the prot pally loot table.
would feel pretty boned if we cant coin that thing :P looks like BiS to me.


1337 stamina. Clearly BiS.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:06 pm
by Fetzie
The faster speed would tend to indicate it not being a dps weapon, or would, at least, make it much less desirable for melee dps. Less weapon damage means stuff hits less hard.

Despite having 12 item levels on it, that mace only has 200 bottom damge and 500 top damage more than http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=96802 because of its speed. Compare it to http://ptr.wowhead.com/item=103951 and you can see the disparity even more starkly, with the 2.6 speed weapon having 600 bottom damage and nearly 1500 top damage more than the haste/mastery 553 mace. A DW deathknight MIGHT want it for his off-hand weapon, but that's about it. Haste/Mastery is almost totally useless for warriors.

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:04 am
by Schroom
I'm a dwarf Pally and have been waiting for this weapon for a looooong time :P

Re: 5.4 T16 itemization

PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:55 am
by Schroom
Haste detected on set items.

yay