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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:20 pm

Weighting of what?
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby killadro » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:52 pm

Would anyone happen to have some more accurate stat weights to use on mr robot? I would greatly appreciate it.
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theckhd wrote:Anyone planning on using Mr. Robot to optimize for Dragon Soul will have to put their own stat weights in. I'm still toying with things as I have time, but so far these weights have been working well enough for me

Mastery: 0.99
Dodge: 0.85-1
Parry: 0.85-1
Stamina: 0.65-0.67
Strength: 0.35
Armor: 0.16
Expertise: 0.01
Hit: 0.01
"Prioritize CTC" checked.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Sunblock » Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:51 am

Can anyone help me out finding suitable statweightings for the following targets.

CTCcapped 102.4
Hitcapped 8%
Expertise softcapped 26

when im trying to set the stats to that... and pressing apply. MR.robot gets stuck.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Fenrìr » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:48 am

/bump for sunblock's question. I'm trying to hover around 5% hit and 20'ish% exp.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby sfrog » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:20 am

I'm having some issues with Mr Robot. It may stem from my ability to break mechanically inclined objects, like my car that just broke for no apparent reason, but it might not.

Every time I load Mr Robot up after doing what Mr Robot suggests I do, I get a different set of suggestions. After spending about 10k gold, I wised up and have come for help. Example: In my crafted Foundations of Courage, one day it will suggest 3 Fractured Lightstones, the next day it'll be Puissiant Elven Peridot, and then, just today, it had me flip to a mix of pure mastery and pure stam gems, all without changing gear around.

I think I haven't quite gotten the hang of Mr Robot yet. Is it best to make one change, reload it, and literally do the suggestions one at a time to ensure that you don't wind up going broke trying to make it happy?
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby almightybooka » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:38 pm

Is Mr Robot fixed? It seems to be suggesting proper tanking gems and gear, at least.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Teranoid » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:35 am

So after the "update" my optimized score is... less than my previous? The hell? The other night it wanted me to gem stam after being CTC capped and now it wants me to go back to gemming pure mastery in those slots. Not to mention removing my reforges to throw my parry/dodge even more out of whack than it already is.

I don't get it.

Edit: Nevermind. Yeah I do get it. I'm retarded and shouldn't try modifying gear at 4 in the morning.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:00 am

almightybooka wrote:Is Mr Robot fixed? It seems to be suggesting proper tanking gems and gear, at least.


Yes, they tweaked their stat weights based on my feedback. So it should be making much better suggestions now.

Actually, they artificially bumped Stamina up far further than it needed to be. You can go as low as 0.67 or so and still get good suggestions. I'm not sure why they bumped it up to 1.5, but it doesn't make much difference in the results, since Stam is still the highest priority.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Jeremoot » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:40 pm

Okay, the "prefer CTC" button needs to come back.

I was using this site because it saved me tons of time in figuring out where I needed to place gems / reforge, but ever since you removed that button it forces feast / cauldron (which I do not want).

Or at least allow us to decide our own food / flasks.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby lazy_dave » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:46 am

it only forces feast/cauldron if you have that option ticked
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:45 am

Jeremoot wrote:I was using this site because it saved me tons of time in figuring out where I needed to place gems / reforge, but ever since you removed that button it forces feast / cauldron (which I do not want).

Or at least allow us to decide our own food / flasks.


There's a checkbox for that under the Options menu ("Always use feast/cauldron"). I hadn't noticed that they removed the Prioritize CTC button. I suppose they just built it into the default stat weights, but it should've been kept so that people can play with custom stat weights.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Jeremoot » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:26 am

lazy_dave wrote:it only forces feast/cauldron if you have that option ticked


It's forcing feast / cauldron for me even with that option unticked, Mastery at 5, and Dodge/Parry at 0.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby lazy_dave » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:00 am

Jeremoot wrote:It's forcing feast / cauldron for me even with that option unticked, Mastery at 5, and Dodge/Parry at 0.

i tried it with custom stat weights (on my mobile) and i can still tick/untick feast/cauldron to force it on and off.....no idea why it wouldn't be working for you, sorry
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Skye1013 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:06 am

You aren't refreshing your browser at any point are you? I've found that any time I refresh my browser, I have to go back in and change all of those settings (no Epic gems, ignore run speed enchants, and whatever else I feel like changing.)
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Bumlak » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:25 am

Is it just me, or is it not trying to balance parry/dodge?
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Cowmmunion » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:50 am

I just ran my pally through it, and it took my 18/12 parry/dodge (thanks blizzard, for giving noooo dodge gear) and turned it into something like 21/8. So it's not just you
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:05 am

I've noticed it do things like that too. I think it's a side-effect of the CTC-capping algorithm. In other words, it's trying really really hard to get you to exactly 102.4% and minimizing the overage, and sometimes it might do that more effectively by unbalancing dodge and parry and devaluing the net avoidance you get per rating.

At least, that's my guess. I really don't know for sure.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Gab » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:53 am

Cowmmunion wrote:(thanks blizzard, for giving noooo dodge gear)


Not a whole lot of consolation but our weapon enchant (Windwalk) and most of the relevant trinkets are dodge or have use/proc being dodge. Stay of execution, Fire of the Deep, Moonwell Vial, Vial of Stolen Memories, the new HoT proc one etc... So it gets a little closer to being balanced during WW proc or use/proc of the these trinkets. Doubt that Mr. Robot takes these things into account though.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Jeremoot » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:08 am

Gab wrote:
Cowmmunion wrote:(thanks blizzard, for giving noooo dodge gear)


Not a whole lot of consolation but our weapon enchant (Windwalk) and most of the relevant trinkets are dodge or have use/proc being dodge. Stay of execution, Fire of the Deep, Moonwell Vial, Vial of Stolen Memories, the new HoT proc one etc... So it gets a little closer to being balanced during WW proc or use/proc of the these trinkets. Doubt that Mr. Robot takes these things into account though.


According to the forums, it does. There's a sticky somewhere that explains they take procs into account when balancing dodge/parry.

I tried clearing my cache and hard-refreshing the page. Still, even with the feast/cauldron option unchecked, it's trying to use Feast / Cauldron. That's with ANY of the pre-sets, as well as custom weights were I set dodge / parry to 0.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Gab » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:23 am

Jeremoot wrote:According to the forums, it does. There's a sticky somewhere that explains they take procs into account when balancing dodge/parry.


Good to know. I hadn't read much of the forum. Ignorance is bliss! I knew it took averages from proc/use uptimes for weightings on DPS trinkets. I didn't think it would do the same for balancing dodge/parry through reforging though. Explains some of the balancing issues then.

Jeremoot wrote:I tried clearing my cache and hard-refreshing the page. Still, even with the feast/cauldron option unchecked, it's trying to use Feast / Cauldron. That's with ANY of the pre-sets, as well as custom weights were I set dodge / parry to 0.


Could it be a browser issue? I'm using Firefox (I assume the newest version can't check since I'm at work) and it works fine for me...
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:42 am

Jeremoot wrote:According to the forums, it does. There's a sticky somewhere that explains they take procs into account when balancing dodge/parry.

I thought it was the other way around, actually. In that they don't account for the WW proc in balancing dodge/parry, because there's no obviously correct way to do so.

Jeremoot wrote:I tried clearing my cache and hard-refreshing the page. Still, even with the feast/cauldron option unchecked, it's trying to use Feast / Cauldron. That's with ANY of the pre-sets, as well as custom weights were I set dodge / parry to 0.

Wait, I misunderstood then. If you check Feast/Cauldron, it will force Feast/Cauldron, which is what I thought you were asking. If you un-check it, it should use whatever gets you closest to 102.4%. Since they bumped Stamina up to a ridiculous 1.5 weighting, that should heavily favor the flask over the elixir options, but I have no idea why it won't go for mastery food (especially if you set dodge/parry to zero).

I'll have to play with it some today, since I logged out in tank gear.

It's sort of frustrating that they had it pretty much right, and then kept changing things in such a way as to make it useless again.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Jeremoot » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:53 am

Yes, it's really frustrating. Before this change it was behaving exactly how I wanted it to. I'll set hit to next priority after expertise soft cap and it's telling me to use feast/cauldron, and reforge 5% hit away to get avoidance up to CTC cap rather than getting that CTC from Mastery food and elixirs. WITH 0 rating for Dodge / Parry. In the developer world we tend to call this "borked."

Here's a quick screencap, dodge and parry set to 0, Feast / Cauldron unchecked. Yet, it's reforging AWAY from hit and mastery to give me 4% more dodge.

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Weights I was using that worked perfectly fine before the recent change:
MH DPS 0.85
MH Speed 1.7
Mastery 2
Exp 1.65 (Soft cap weight: 0.7)
Sta 1.5
Hit 1.08
Dodge 0.75
Parry 0.75
Strength 0.66
Armor 0.5
Crit 0.5
Agility 0.4
Haste 0.2
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby theckhd » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:16 am

I've been conversing with yellowfive on the AMR forums about this. Basically, they built the CTC toggle into the default algorithm, and have made some tweaks that reduce the direct influence of the stat weights. In other words, the stat weights are more "suggestions" than strict parameters now. They say the presets work much better now (which I could maybe believe; the PvE default set seems to be working properly, at any rate. However, it makes the custom weights setting basically useless, because your means of control (the stat weights) is disregarded in many cases.

I've suggested they revert the custom stat weights setting, such that in that setting alone you get the "prioritize CTC" button, and more direct input from the stat weights. We'll see if they implement it. If they do, hopefully they can satisfy both parts of the population. If not, the tool will become fairly useless to anyone who actually wants to play with stat weights and customize their builds for specific bosses.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Jeremoot » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:00 am

Personally, the site is completely useless to me if it doesn't take into account my stat weights.

Do you know of any other sites that will do gemming as well as reforging? I've seen sites that will reforge your gear based on your stat weights, but it won't incorporate gems as well. That was the selling point of AskMrRobot for me.
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Re: All Things Mr. Robot!

Postby Korendil » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:37 pm

Jeremoot wrote:Personally, the site is completely useless to me if it doesn't take into account my stat weights.

Do you know of any other sites that will do gemming as well as reforging? I've seen sites that will reforge your gear based on your stat weights, but it won't incorporate gems as well. That was the selling point of AskMrRobot for me.


I've kind of given up on Ask Mr. Robot for my tankadin since the lock gem and enchant feature doesn't work for me. I've gone back to only using chardev. It doesn't have an optimizer, but you can customize your char exactly how you want to.
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