Failsafe gearing guide, 4.3

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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:26 pm

Minor edits made to take into account the good advice given in this thread.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby nalenb » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:03 pm

First, thanks for putting this together, it's very useful.

I ran my dailies today and got the following:

Wildhammer - 5 dailies - 1,553 rep - 70g 62s
Therazane - 7 dailies - 2,128 rep - 79g 96s
Ramkahen - 2 dailies - 460 rep - 18g 31s
Baradin's Wardens - 6 dailies - 1,725 rep - 99g 24s

For a total of 268g 13s per day, not including sale of any loot or repairs.

(I'm a human in a level 4 guild, so I'm getting the 5% rep guild bonus)
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:12 pm

Thanks for the data on rep.

In all likelyhood I'll have to make some rather horrid changes to the list. I'm beginning to suspect that dps-gear with good chunks of mastery might be better tanking items than corresponding tanking gear with dodge/parry and zero mastery.

Hypothetical example: 100 mastery and 100 haste (the worst possible dps-stat for us) actually looks better to me than 100 dodge and 100 parry, despite the latter screaming: I'm a dedicated piece of tanking gear!

Before I start juggling around too much with strange equipment I'll need to verify those suspicions.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby econ21 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:28 am

79.68 mastery rating gives 1% block
For me, around 206 dodge rating gives 1% dodge.
So gear with mastery plus something reforgeable will certainly get you further towards the block cap than pure avoidance gear.

However, in terms of overall damage reduction, I think dps gear with mastery is only more attractive (for survivability) if it comes with agility rather than strength.

A unit of dodge gives me 0.004854 (i.e. 1/206) damage reduction.
A unit of mastery rating gives 0.00502 (0.4/79.68)

These differences seem quite small - mastery is not 42% better than avoidance. However, given that agility gives 60% dodge whereas strength gives only 25% parry, it could be that mastery plus agility gear is better for damage reduction than avoidance gear (the Earthen ring epic ring has been cited as such a case).
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby Barathorn » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:43 am

I cannot see a huge amount of plate items with agility on them being available in honesty. I think we are probably only going to be looking at rings and trinkets with regard to agility.

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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:51 pm

Edited and added commentary to the links.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby nalenb » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:42 am

In your description of the epic crafted chest you say not to buy it because of the lack of sockets. The patch notes for 4.0.6 say:

"A socket has been added to all crafted epic armor pieces that did not already have one."

http://www.wowhead.com/patchnotes=4.0.6-ptr

Not sure if this will come to pass or when 4.0.6 will go live, but I thought I'd add that. (mostly cause I'm wearing that chest and hoping it adds sockets).
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:14 am

nalenb wrote:In your description of the epic crafted chest you say not to buy it because of the lack of sockets. The patch notes for 4.0.6 say:

"A socket has been added to all crafted epic armor pieces that did not already have one."

http://www.wowhead.com/patchnotes=4.0.6-ptr

Not sure if this will come to pass or when 4.0.6 will go live, but I thought I'd add that. (mostly cause I'm wearing that chest and hoping it adds sockets).


I aim at keeping this list up-to-date, so when I can see the 4.0.6 items on live I'll change my recommendations accordingly. However, I won't change them based on premonitions :D

Personally I hope the socketing will make the crafted chest better than the blue. I have mats waiting for that to happen ;)
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby thayne183 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 5:23 pm

First off, thanks for the great guide!

This is as much a question as a possible item to mention for an upgrade that (I think )

1) Is better than the earthen ring legs and could save one the JP's to spend on other stuff.
2) comes from a heroic that's so easy and fast, I feel its kinda between reg and heroic.

Legguards of Winnowing Windhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=56367

These legs dropped so much for my guild I eventually won one greeding and was going to sell then when noticed all the mastery (even the socket bonus is mastery), so after reforging the crit to Dodge they seemed far superior to my Earthen ring rep pants.

I kinda consider heroic VP the easiest of heroics so I thought it might have a place for small guilds not fully random heroic ready but fully able to finish the easiest one (if that makes any sense haha) I know for several weeks random heroics for VP's just were not an option for me as I only run with guildies and they were a bit behind getting geared.

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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Sat Feb 05, 2011 4:36 am

thayne183 wrote:1) Is better than the earthen ring legs and could save one the JP's to spend on other stuff.
2) comes from a heroic that's so easy and fast, I feel its kinda between reg and heroic.

Legguards of Winnowing Windhttp://www.wowhead.com/item=56367


While there are several drops from heroic 5-mans which are better than those listed here, they all share one component -- they're drops. This list consists exclusively of gear that you're 100% guaranteed to get.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:50 am

Edited the list to acknowledge that the 4.0.6 changes made the crafted tanking chest a little less awful, and outright interesting for fights where you depend on generating Holy Power.

Also noted that the crafted tanking belt went from good to better.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby Skye1013 » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:02 am

I realize it's in direct competition with the trinkets, but Hellscream's Reach now has a 1h Str weapon (I can't remember the name of it off hand or I'd give the link.) Not sure how good that would be, but it's another option. Also there are now agi/str trinkets from alch. Obviously threat isn't a huge issue, but the agi might be useful for dodge.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:17 am

Skye1013 wrote:I realize it's in direct competition with the trinkets, but Hellscream's Reach now has a 1h Str weapon (I can't remember the name of it off hand or I'd give the link.) Not sure how good that would be, but it's another option. Also there are now agi/str trinkets from alch. Obviously threat isn't a huge issue, but the agi might be useful for dodge.


I'll check that weapon.
I'm not listing BoP items from professions (as you need to be, for example, an alchemist to get them).
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:47 am

Added the Tol Barad weapon to the list. Marked it as low priority as five man heroics simply rain weapons over people. However, the TB weapon is indeed a failsafe solution for the hysterically unlucky.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby econ21 » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:21 am

It might be worth adding an AH "watch list" for BoE epics:

[Don Rodrigo's Fabulous Necklace] : BoE Dungeon Drop
[Heaving Plates of Protection] : The Bastion of Twilight (Normal) BoE Raid Drop
[Pauldrons of Edward the Odd] : BoE World Drop
[Icebone Hauberk] : BoE Dungeon Drop
[Soul Blade]
[Blockade's Lost Shield] : BoE

They won't come cheap, but I think a failsafe guide is particularly useful for people - perhaps like ourselves - who struggle to get raid drops and may be willing and able to fork out where possible to compensate. I list them because, with the exception of the hauberk, they are very nice items that you won't want to replace in a hurry.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:32 pm

econ21 wrote:It might be worth adding an AH "watch list" for BoE epics:

[Don Rodrigo's Fabulous Necklace] : BoE Dungeon Drop
[Heaving Plates of Protection] : The Bastion of Twilight (Normal) BoE Raid Drop
[Pauldrons of Edward the Odd] : BoE World Drop
[Icebone Hauberk] : BoE Dungeon Drop
[Soul Blade]
[Blockade's Lost Shield] : BoE

They won't come cheap, but I think a failsafe guide is particularly useful for people - perhaps like ourselves - who struggle to get raid drops and may be willing and able to fork out where possible to compensate. I list them because, with the exception of the hauberk, they are very nice items that you won't want to replace in a hurry.


I would have added them long ago hadn't it been for my experience of a low pop server. It took until today until I could lay my hands on the Soul Blade. Party due to gold-constraints, but mostly because today was the second time I even SAW one on the AH. I have yet to see the necklace or shield. I bought the only copy of Heaving plates I've ever seen, and I bought the only copy of Edwards I've seen for a guildie. I got the Hauberk cheap for my threat and interrupt set (two different sets, and I guess I COULD build the crafted chest for better threat, but the Hauberk is less bad for a tank than the crafted due to two yellow sockets). Once again that hauberk was the sole copy I've ever seen. Thus 'failsafe' doesn't really ring true.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:19 am

Updated to take the new gemslot for the crafted shield into consideration.

I'll see if 4.1 comes with any other changes as far as the failsafe list goes. The quests I've completed in the new heroics haven't yielded anything worth adding, but I haven't done them all.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby Archeth » Sun May 01, 2011 2:32 pm

In the new ZG/ZA we have a few BoE drops which might be worth adding, especially since some of them can go for very little due to being items for which there are exalted rep alternatives or just not a lot of demand:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69801 - baby version of the Ramkahen bracers, but with more strength
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69800 - dodge/parry cloak, on our high population server there's a shitton up for 600-700g each, possibly an option for someone who wants to focus on grinding other reps than Hyjal first I guess
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69802 - hit/expertise ring, obviously not an optimal tank piece but it might be worth a look for some aspiring tanks
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69803 - hit/haste mace, not great but on some realms they go for as little as 500g
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Wed May 04, 2011 3:26 am

Archeth wrote:In the new ZG/ZA we have a few BoE drops which might be worth adding, especially since some of them can go for very little due to being items for which there are exalted rep alternatives or just not a lot of demand:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69801 - baby version of the Ramkahen bracers, but with more strength
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69800 - dodge/parry cloak, on our high population server there's a shitton up for 600-700g each, possibly an option for someone who wants to focus on grinding other reps than Hyjal first I guess
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69802 - hit/expertise ring, obviously not an optimal tank piece but it might be worth a look for some aspiring tanks
http://www.wowhead.com/item=69803 - hit/haste mace, not great but on some realms they go for as little as 500g


Thanks.

I'll probably add a BoE -section as I'm seeing the AH getting swamped with the items.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Wed May 11, 2011 1:51 pm

Updated.

Fixing some errors and added a short section on gearing for farm-content.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby dirtypally » Fri May 20, 2011 12:20 pm

I am in mixed cata epics and blues, i see tons of tanks rolling with 180k health all the time but i can't really see their mitigation levels. My mitigation is at 73% with only 132k unbuffed, is that ok to start raiding. I have been to ZG/A and got most of the stuff.

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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby lythac » Fri May 20, 2011 1:04 pm

dirtypally wrote:I am in mixed cata epics and blues, i see tons of tanks rolling with 180k health all the time but i can't really see their mitigation levels. My mitigation is at 73% with only 132k unbuffed, is that ok to start raiding. I have been to ZG/A and got most of the stuff.

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You're fine for raiding but there are quite a few things you should sort before raiding.

Missing 3 enchants, your other enchants are a very low quality, a few pieces can be reforged for more mastery, missing 4 glyphs and some of the ones you are using are not great (Exorcism).

Sorting your enchants will net you 7k hp unbuffed.

Also your CTC is 78.47 - you get 5% miss as well.
Raid buffed you have 81.46 CTC.
Raid buffed, reforged and enchanted you have 87% CTC.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby dirtypally » Sat May 21, 2011 7:14 am

thx for the look, i am going shopping for some faction gear that i need to get and gem them properly, the exo is just for fun glyph, i know if i really tweeked her i could be higher. I'll do that when i get on next and see what happens, thx again for the look and advice.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby yappo » Sat May 21, 2011 1:00 pm

After quite some thinking I've decided against adding a drop based BoE section.

While the AH is well stocked on cheap 353 BoE, they're still not failsafe.

BoE drops will have to end up in another guide. This one is for those who are not merely paranoid -- they're actually correct about RNG deliberately targetting them.

So I'll stick to my list of what's guaranteed to be available for you. Horribly expensive in some cases, but guaranteed.
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Re: Failsafe gearing guide

Postby dirtypally » Tue May 24, 2011 7:18 am

dirtypally wrote:thx for the look, i am going shopping for some faction gear that i need to get and gem them properly, the exo is just for fun glyph, i know if i really tweeked her i could be higher. I'll do that when i get on next and see what happens, thx again for the look and advice.


Did some more tweeking. Got the tanking legs from Wildhammer, gemmed and put them on. I couldn't find windwalker enchant in AH or didn't feel like 3k for the other expensive one for some other peice of gear enchant, couldn't remember what the enchant was. But i got 5 other enchants and redid my glyphs, but I'm gonna miss my exo :cry: it's always fun pulling a demon boss with a guaranteed crit and a dot.

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