Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Gear List

Postby valura » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:00 am

Hey Peter,

First of all, thanks for a great list. It helped me out quite a lot so far.

I know you are reluctant to include DPS gear to lessen the possible confusion and keep the list short, however I would like to point you to [Belt of the Ferocious Wolf] as a valid alternative to [Hardened Elementium Girdle].

The basic stats are somewhat the same (only -20 STR), and mastery is exactly the same. The only differences are a blue gem slot, and 169 DR vs 149 CRS. From personal experience, I can say that I have been reforging DR to gain mastery, and am currently into increasing my Expertise (something many will be doing, since there's not that much pre-raid tankgear with Experience around). After reforging from CRS to Exp (or whatever you prioritize), the blue slot can easily be filled with a Mastery/Stamina gem or even pure STAM, while the prismatic socket (from the buckle) can easily be filled with additional STAM, Expertise, Mastery or whatever suits your fance, heck if you put anything blue in the already present socket, you even reduce the missing strength to -10 instead of -20, while the crafted tanking belt has no bonusses whatsoever...

Just thought it might not be such a bad idea to suggest at 60ish gold alternative to the 3k+ crafted belt...
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Gear List

Postby OSDeath » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:28 pm

First, thanks so much for the work you've done on this list. I used your last list almost all the way through LK and am so grateful to see another one being made.

My question is why do you put the crafted trinkets in a separate slot than mixing them into the lists for avoidance/stam/threat. I'm curious as to how they stack up against the other trinkets that we'll be seeing and if it's worth having the trinkets made.

Thanks again for the time and effort you've put into this. It is greatly appreciated.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Gear List

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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Cheekyazz » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:08 pm

Awesome, I know what I am doing tonight and on the weekend, well apart from maxxing my BS and JC, JC for the ring as I have the BS Gear already, i will be using this guid to gear my tank just that little bit more.

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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Gear List

Postby Petrus » Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:02 am

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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Dunkan » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:20 am

Just a suggestion, but how about merging the profession trinkets with the other trinkets?

Stuck out there like that makes it difficult to compare.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Fayia » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:36 am

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/l ... eil/simple

Seems Paragon discovered a tanking sword that is not on the list...the Fang of Twilight?
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Throb » Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:21 am

Fayia wrote:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/lazeil/simple

Seems Paragon discovered a tanking sword that is not on the list...the Fang of Twilight?


It drops off of Valonia and is an Agi/Crit/Mastery sword. So, it's a tanking sword in the same regard that Belt of the Ferocious Wolf is a tanking belt. It's good if you don't have anything better.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Siral » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:05 am

A question about Ironstar's Impenetrable Cover (not the heroic one).

For which tanking class is better than the reputation one? Not for sure for paladin (dodge/mastery >>>> dodge/parry)
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby econ21 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:44 am

Throb wrote:
Fayia wrote:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightnings-blade/lazeil/simple

Seems Paragon discovered a tanking sword that is not on the list...the Fang of Twilight?


It drops off of Valonia and is an Agi/Crit/Mastery sword. So, it's a tanking sword in the same regard that Belt of the Ferocious Wolf is a tanking belt. It's good if you don't have anything better.


Not quite - the agility makes it good for survival (whereas the belt is a strength item). It's more comparable to the Earthen ring reputation ring and the Don Flamingo's neck - something that is not intended for tanking, but may be better than comparable items that are intended for tanking. You are trading off some threat for some survivability. Compare it to the Mace of Acrid Death - that gives you 118 parry; but this sword gives you about 143 dodge (0.6*165 dodge from its agility and 44 dodge from reforging the crit).

I don't quite understand the prejudice against agility for tanks. It's like disdaining the WW2 88mm gun as an anti-tank weapon just because it was designed to shoot down planes, not tanks.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Nikachelle » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:50 am

If anything, this board was NOT prejudiced against agility at all for tanks. Most of us used agility/stam gems and agility enchants in Wrath. That being said, I don't know the current math, but it doesn't seem people are as gungho about agility in Cataclysm as they were before.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Earantur » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:29 pm

Have you specifically avoided putting green gear on the list? There's a crafted belt(http://www.wowhead.com/item=55027) and quest reward belt(http://www.wowhead.com/item=63868) that both seem to me to be better than the starter zone blues on the list.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby econ21 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:21 am

econ21 wrote: ...the Fang of Twilight ... Compare it to the Mace of Acrid Death - that gives you 118 parry; but this sword gives you about 143 dodge (0.6*165 dodge from its agility and 44 dodge from reforging the crit).


Um, I realise I have forgotten the contribution of strength to parry from the Mace (0.25*165=41). That makes the mace better for survival. So the tanking weapon is better, but it is close (159 parry vs 143 dodge).
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby lythac » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:01 am

Nikachelle wrote:If anything, this board was NOT prejudiced against agility at all for tanks. Most of us used agility/stam gems and agility enchants in Wrath. That being said, I don't know the current math, but it doesn't seem people are as gungho about agility in Cataclysm as they were before.


It was the removal of agility providing armor, and str proving parry that killed it off mostly. In Cata there aren't any agility enchants/gems that are BiS and it is not a reforgable stat. So the only place to pick it up is on jewelry and it has to have mastery on to make it an option. And there are always str alternatives for the slot.

Agility is still teh sex.

Also we can't praise it too much as a lot of inexperienced paladins might start going for some weird items just because they have agility on them due to hearing agility provides more than twice the avoidance of str.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby aureon » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:42 pm

Why aren't the WotLK armor trinket present?
The petrified twilight scale off Halion is surely better than Bedrock talisman, and by a pretty wide margin.
Unidentifiable Organ seems VERY good, too.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby lythac » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:16 pm

aureon wrote:Why aren't the WotLK armor trinket present?


Patch 4.0.6 - Lich King trinkets with bonus armor values have been adjusted using the new Cataclysm formula, reducing their armor values substantially.

Would be my guess.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby inthedrops » Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:59 pm

Treck posted some missing waist and ring pieces from CoW and I think it's very important to have them in the gear list considering they are close to if not sometimes best in slot.

Here are a couple screenshots of some I've managed to grab. Treck included all the details you need to know though in his excellent post a page or two back:

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(Note that the ring is ilvl 372)
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby majorwoo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 12:03 pm

inthedrops wrote:
Hah, I just realized you all get to know what I name my gearsets :)


I want to know the difference between "mastery" and "super mastery". I have a suspicion it is something I looked at doing myself, but decided against.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby inthedrops » Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:11 pm

majorwoo wrote:
inthedrops wrote:
Hah, I just realized you all get to know what I name my gearsets :)


I want to know the difference between "mastery" and "super mastery". I have a suspicion it is something I looked at doing myself, but decided against.


It's more for fun than actual use in raids. It's the gear I have with the most mastery on it. Puts me a bit above 62% block and like 145k health. I don't think I've actually worn it in a raid though so it's more of a "how high can I go" thing.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby yappo » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:10 pm

inthedrops wrote:It's more for fun than actual use in raids. It's the gear I have with the most mastery on it. Puts me a bit above 62% block and like 145k health. I don't think I've actually worn it in a raid though so it's more of a "how high can I go" thing.


You're sick and perverted :D

Extrapolating from my set it should see you at 93% CTC.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby inthedrops » Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:37 pm

Hah, just checked:
145k health
10.29 dodge
13.34 parry
62.50% block
91.93 before raid buffs.

I still have a crappy helm with only 56 reforged mastery on it. But I equip Earthshape Pauldrons, The Lustrous Eye, and Red Rock Band as items I don't normally wear (I have better all around pieces). Obviously two mastery trinkets. I could probably get another 0.5% or more with some regemming but like I said, I've never tanked in this. Maybe I should try :)

I keep meaning to see what the heck CTC means but assume it just means hot close to unhittable one is.

Edit: Oh, Combat Table Coverage.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Treck » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:28 pm

I think [Cloak of Biting Chill] should be added to the list, as it appears to be the best back ingame for us atm. For some reason theres no 372 "tanking" cloak available.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby yappo » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:07 am

Treck wrote:I think [Cloak of Biting Chill] should be added to the list, as it appears to be the best back ingame for us atm. For some reason theres no 372 "tanking" cloak available.


Hmm, we're going to see shammies, rogues and druids paying for hitmen to come after maintankadin :D

And yes, I'm well aware that the agi/mastery slots tend to be fantastic for us. Just hard to convince the agi-dps that we're rolling on a tanking-upgrade. Looks a bit similar to holydins rolling on cloth the last X-pac.
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby Treck » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:13 am

yappo wrote: Just hard to convince the agi-dps that we're rolling on a tanking-upgrade. Looks a bit similar to holydins rolling on cloth the last X-pac.

Atleast everywhere i went, it was generally acceptable for paladins (of both holy and ret) to sport mail/leather/cloth just cuz the stats were better and the armor didnt make any real difference anyway.
If its BiS, its BiS, be it for a tank or a dps.
Who its the biggest upgrade for, is another story, but its also more of a guild based decision at that point
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Re: Petrus' Cataclysm Master Gear List

Postby yappo » Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:33 am

Treck wrote:Who its the biggest upgrade for, is another story, but its also more of a guild based decision at that point


Ah, but I'm a puggie :D
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