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Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Talderas » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:35 am

So, this is a serious question about the value of each shield.

I currently have the Heroic Version of Neverending Winter (I progress in H.ICC10 [9/12]). However I have been doing GDKP runs in ICC25 (8/12) and it appears that Blood Queen is the next boss on the list to die which means I will have the opportunity to add the Glacial Shield Wall to my set of gear. My question is how good is it compared to the Heroic Neverending Winter. Is it inferior? Is it more of specialty trash piece (with the increased block value)?

The minimum bid for it would be 1,000g and I'm trying to decide just how high to go before the price doesn't match the value. I think I can get it really cheap, possibly even for 1,000g, as I'm the only prot paladin tank main-spec and I haven't seen any paladins or warriors bid on tanking gear.

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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby kysu » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:23 am

The 10m Shield is technically better. The 25HM shield is BIS.


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Icecrown Glacial Wall
8873 Armor
248 Block
+90 Strength
+136 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Increases defense rating by 48.
Equip: Increases your parry rating by 48.
Equip: Increases the block value of your shield by 147.


Neverending Winter (H)
8873 Armor
248 Block
+82 Strength
+124 Stamina
Blue Socket
Socket Bonus: +6 Stamina
Durability 120 / 120
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Increases defense rating by 48.
Equip: Increases your shield block rating by 42.
Equip: Increases your parry rating by 51.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Digren » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:37 am

Lose stamina to change block rating into block value? Even for a trash set that doesn't seem worth it. Keep what you have.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Talderas » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:19 am

Digren wrote:Lose stamina to change block rating into block value? Even for a trash set that doesn't seem worth it. Keep what you have.


I think the Glacial Shield Wall would hold a higher value if it wasn't for Icecrown Radiance where many of us would be block capped making the block rating on the Neverending pointless.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby chinoquezada » Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:40 pm

GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Solare » Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:53 am

chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Ardrhyst » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:16 am

Solare wrote:
chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.


Are we? This is something that I've never really understood. I can't grab the exact statistics on the avoidance value of 20 defense during maintenance, but on a boss that hits for 15k you're going to need to block 28.5 times with titanium plating to get the same reduction as one dodge or parry.

I'm not a math junkie, so I've probably disgraced myself with the small bit above, and I won't get any further to avoid further indignity, but I've missed the justification arguments for using titanium plating over defense or stamina for progression content. Even Digren's guide mentions it only as basically a throwaway for a trash or threat set.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Digren » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:33 am

Talderas wrote:
Digren wrote:Lose stamina to change block rating into block value? Even for a trash set that doesn't seem worth it. Keep what you have.


I think the Glacial Shield Wall would hold a higher value if it wasn't for Icecrown Radiance where many of us would be block capped making the block rating on the Neverending pointless.

It's pointless even if you aren't block capped, except for a trash set. And in that case either the block rating or the block value are equally usable, so just pick the piece with more stamina.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Digren » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:34 am

Solare wrote:
chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.

On a trash set piece, sure, whatever. But it's a very poor enchant for an effective health piece. Stamina is much much better.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby chinoquezada » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:59 am

Solare wrote:
chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.


Titanium Plating = TPS/Trash Set
18 stam = EH Set
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby fuzzygeek » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:04 am

WHY IS MY ARMOR PLATING NOT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF ARMOR I HAVE RAAAAAAGE.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby inthedrops » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:10 am

fuzzygeek wrote:WHY IS MY ARMOR PLATING NOT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF ARMOR I HAVE RAAAAAAGE.


NO S%$T!
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby Ardrhyst » Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:17 am

fuzzygeek wrote:WHY IS MY ARMOR PLATING NOT INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF ARMOR I HAVE RAAAAAAGE.


Armor from armor plating?

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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby cds4850 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:44 pm

Solare wrote:
chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.

And here I was gearing towards effective health. I'm so behind the times, good thing I have these forumz to do teh thinkzing for mez.
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Re: Glacial Shield Wall vs Heroic Neverending Winter

Postby exiledknight » Wed May 12, 2010 1:29 pm

Solare wrote:
chinoquezada wrote:GSW is my "dps/off/trash" tanking shield. I have it enchanted with Titanium Plating.
I think most of us are enhancing our shields with titanium plating.


Why would you do this other than for more threat? This is not TBC nor is it heroic anub, if it is your progression shield and you are not using 18 stamina there is something that you are missing on the fundamentals of tanking. Crit immunity>EH>everything else
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