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Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby halabar » Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:13 am

So I won it last night, and am wondering, what fights is it worthwhile to use it on? My other trinks are they Key and the 245 Scarab from ToC. I'm in all 264 badge+crafted, and 251 T10 helm and shoulders.

But since the general trend now is EH, when would we use the Coin?..
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:04 am

I use mine as a paperweight.

I think I used it in a set when we Ironmaned the Boat achievement (e.g., jet-pack to boat. Stay until fight is over), but I've since swapped to dual-armor since we reset stacks now that no one needs the achievement.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby badgermonkey » Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:41 am

Mine is filling up a bag slot, and I'm desperately wishing I had somewhere to use it.

But I can't find anywhere! :(
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Kihra » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:35 am

It's really nice in Putricide P3. Either your health isn't falling below 35%, in which case none of your trinkets are really coming into play, or your health does fall below 35%, and you get a really great EH boost that lasts until the next tank picks him up. By the time it's your turn to tank Put again, the trinket will be ready to proc again.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby cds4850 » Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:49 am

I see quite a few people use it for the WoW-Heroes boss...
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Argali » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:03 pm

On Saurfang, I think he leeches health when he hits you, so avoidance reduces the amount of healing he receives from Rune of Blood, if your tanks are laggy, or just slow to react. (Should double check this).
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby halabar » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:15 pm

I think we need a Thecknalysis.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby vegardhv » Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:55 am

cds4850 wrote:I see quite a few people use it for the WoW-Heroes boss...


Yeah, that's what I think as well. I rolled on this, together with my co-warrior, thinking I might not need it that bad, but then again if I don't need it he shouldn't either right? Or should I maybe let him have it? Because he would use it all the time because of it's gearscore I figure..
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby cds4850 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:37 am

Argali wrote:On Saurfang, I think he leeches health when he hits you, so avoidance reduces the amount of healing he receives from Rune of Blood, if your tanks are laggy, or just slow to react. (Should double check this).

This has been addressed and disproved. Theck is busy trying to find a key to the stock market by observing trending in the sequencing of the pi decimals, I don't think we need to burden him with this.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Boyfriend » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:49 am

cds4850 wrote:
Argali wrote:On Saurfang, I think he leeches health when he hits you, so avoidance reduces the amount of healing he receives from Rune of Blood, if your tanks are laggy, or just slow to react. (Should double check this).

This has been addressed and disproved. Theck is busy trying to find a key to the stock market by observing trending in the sequencing of the pi decimals, I don't think we need to burden him with this.


Incorrect, avoidance prevents the leech and the BP gain from the leech. But does not affect the damage on the mark target, that was what the original topic was about. The BP gain from the leech is only of consequence in heroic, and there tanks should taunt fast enough that avoidance will not provide any benefit.

A log as proof that it affects the leech:

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[21:39:51.299] Heavyfur afflicted by Rune of Blood from Deathbringer Saurfang
[21:39:51.474] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur 24538 (A: 2380)
[21:39:52.339] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur Dodge
[21:39:52.372] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Heavyfur 4258 (A: 3399)
[21:39:52.751] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Deathbringer Saurfang +42580
[21:39:53.340] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur Dodge
[21:39:54.239] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur 28520
[21:39:55.153] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur 25749 (A: 2380)
[21:39:55.282] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Heavyfur 7046 (A: 2380)
[21:39:55.588] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Deathbringer Saurfang +70460
[21:39:55.992] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Heavyfur 5942 (A: 2380)
[21:39:56.186] Deathbringer Saurfang hits Heavyfur 27461 (A: 2380)
[21:39:56.398] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Deathbringer Saurfang +59420
[21:39:57.163] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Heavyfur 8817
[21:39:57.587] Deathbringer Saurfang Rune of Blood Deathbringer Saurfang +88170
[21:40:11.405] Heavyfur's Rune of Blood fades
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby cds4850 » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:04 am

I stand corrected, as I thought we were addressing the leaching of blood power and transferrence of damage onto marked targets as related to tank avoidance.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Argali » Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:34 am

I did say Rune of Blood, and made no mention of Mark of the Fallen champion T_T

So far, it seems that Saurfang applies rune of blood, unless delayed by casting blood boil or mark, nearly immediately after the previous one falls on (in 25), so I just get ready to taunt 2 secs before it falls off.

However, there will be tanks who are laggy, or slow to react, and every little helps, and so far, tank damage seems to be the least of the healers worries, so why not just slap the trinket on and be done with it. AFAIK, he heals about 150k-200k from each rune of blood leeching, and that's a 1% wipe xD
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Kihra » Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:14 pm

Yeah, avoidance works to stop Rune of Blood hits/heals. It does nothing on Mark of the Fallen Champion. When I originally discovered that avoidance didn't stop Marks and posted my findings here, I mistakenly included Rune of Blood as well. I then later posted a correction about Rune of Blood.

Avoidance *is* good for Rune of Blood, but really your tanks should just be on the ball. Especially in hard mode, you can't afford to have slow/laggy tanks on this fight. :)
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Awyndel » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:44 pm

Well, considering the paladins are on the marks on our saurfang heroic setup, and i'm being healed by raid healers, I'm using armor trinkets instead.

Avoidance might be good for blood queen though, since it reduces the damage on both tanks.
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Re: Corpse-Tongue Coin - When to use it?

Postby Meloree » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:47 pm

cds4850 wrote:I see quite a few people use it for the WoW-Heroes boss...


That's what I use it for. There isn't really a spot in-game that I've wanted to use it.

I use armor for Saurfang, BQL, and Festergut, Stamina for Sindragosa, LK, Putricide.
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