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Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:37 am
by Skye1013
That's how I understand it, yes.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:03 am
by Worldie
I'm trying this out... just saying omg
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And the MS/MB phase only lasted a total of 20 seconds.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:39 am
by Rhiannon
Worldie wrote:I'm trying this out... just saying omg
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And the MS/MB phase only lasted a total of 20 seconds.



Warden and I did mention it back on page 3 ;). Whether it's always a gain to do this is still not totally clear cut, but definitely doing it off the pull it should be, snd on any fight with a vulnerability phase (e.g. Hagara, Spine).

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:10 am
by Worldie
Well as you have seen, on Ultrax hc i've managed barely 34k without this, while on LFR Ultraxion i've almost hit 36k without flask / pots / hero.

Quite confident it's a good dps gain, at least for me.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:21 am
by Darielle
Yeah, I'd assumed you'd seen it earlier. That'll get you a fair bit of the way to where you want to be.
You should be able to line up an Archangel with a SF right as you're about to get him to 25% most of the time.

That Shadow Priest who got DI instead of Rove is so lucky. Then again, I wish we had a Warlock to begin with.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:10 am
by Worldie
Tbh I have to argue with our 2nd warlock who insists our Fire mage gets his DI because he has legendary and does more DPS. I wish I could strangle him.

How does 24k dps on dummy sound? I'm having huge mana problems by lineing up every other AA with shadowfiend.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:31 am
by Darielle
Oh, bear in mind that if you can, you'll want to get Lusts for later Shadowfiends anyway after you pop them, so that'll get you more mana.

ALSO remember when doing this, since you'll have instant Mind Blast, you need to make sure that you let your Shadowfiend hit between the last Mind Spike and the Mind Blast, or you'll just Mind Blast with no Orbs and be like "F U". The key thing is to definitely be on top of SW:D use later on, as long as you aren't quite oom by 25%, you'll wind up being fine.

AFAIK, delaying AA (unless it's like 5 seconds ish) to line it up is a dps loss though, but I've seen people argue both ways on that.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:03 am
by Worldie
Rather than delaying AA which turned out as a huge loss expecially if no luck on MF crits, I was thinking of delaying SF to line up with every 2nd AA (effectively delaying it by 30 or so seconds)

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:40 am
by Rhiannon
Darielle wrote:ALSO remember when doing this, since you'll have instant Mind Blast, you need to make sure that you let your Shadowfiend hit between the last Mind Spike and the Mind Blast, or you'll just Mind Blast with no Orbs and be like "F U".


You can macro /cancelaura mind melt into your Mind Blast as with 33% haste (which I guess you're fairly close to with raid buffs) mind blast becomes a 1s cast anyway. So it's like:

0.00 cast Mind Spike 1
1.00 Mind Spike 1 hits, cast Mind Spike 2
2.00 Mind Spike 2 hits, cast Mind Blast
3.00 Mind Blast hits, cast Mind Spike 3
4.00 Mind Spike 3 hits, cast Mind Spike 4

rather than

0.00 cast Mind Spike 1
1.00 Mind Spike 1 hits, cast Mind Spike 2
2.00 Mind Spike 2 hits, cast Mind Blast, Mind Blast hits (no way shadowfiend can land a hit between Mind Spike 2 and Mind Blast hitting)
3.00 cast Mind Spike 3
4.00 Mind Spike 3 hits, cast Mind Spike 4

That way you get a full second during which your shadowfiend can land a hit before the Mind Blast lands without having to delay your casts at all - though due to a slight delay in mind melt applying to your character you might still have to delay a fifth of a second or so - better than up to a whole second you might have to wait for another shadowfiend melee hit.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:39 pm
by Darielle
Rhiannon wrote:
Darielle wrote:ALSO remember when doing this, since you'll have instant Mind Blast, you need to make sure that you let your Shadowfiend hit between the last Mind Spike and the Mind Blast, or you'll just Mind Blast with no Orbs and be like "F U".


You can macro /cancelaura mind melt into your Mind Blast as with 33% haste (which I guess you're fairly close to with raid buffs) mind blast becomes a 1s cast anyway. So it's like:

0.00 cast Mind Spike 1
1.00 Mind Spike 1 hits, cast Mind Spike 2
2.00 Mind Spike 2 hits, cast Mind Blast
3.00 Mind Blast hits, cast Mind Spike 3
4.00 Mind Spike 3 hits, cast Mind Spike 4

rather than

0.00 cast Mind Spike 1
1.00 Mind Spike 1 hits, cast Mind Spike 2
2.00 Mind Spike 2 hits, cast Mind Blast, Mind Blast hits (no way shadowfiend can land a hit between Mind Spike 2 and Mind Blast hitting)
3.00 cast Mind Spike 3
4.00 Mind Spike 3 hits, cast Mind Spike 4

That way you get a full second during which your shadowfiend can land a hit before the Mind Blast lands without having to delay your casts at all - though due to a slight delay in mind melt applying to your character you might still have to delay a fifth of a second or so - better than up to a whole second you might have to wait for another shadowfiend melee hit.


I've found with that that you still wind up having Mind Melt stacks anyway unless you wait for the last Spike's Melt to come up, and if you're doing that then you might as well not Cancelaura to begin with.
But that's personal experience, and since I play from NZ, that's going to be wildly different in terms of latency to other people. As long as he's aware of it and the options, he should be able to see which handles it better for him.

Rather than delaying AA which turned out as a huge loss expecially if no luck on MF crits, I was thinking of delaying SF to line up with every 2nd AA (effectively delaying it by 30 or so seconds)


I haven't seen any math on it, and I've never tried it, but hunch tells me that's also enough of a dps loss to outweigh it.

Unless it was specifically in the situation where you'd wind up putting a Shadowfiend out 30 seconds before the fight ended, so delaying the Shadowfiend makes no difference because you would have had only 3 Shadowfiends anyway, and even delaying it you'll have 3 Fiends. If in delaying that Fiend, you wind up delaying hard enough to remove the chance of a 4th Fiend, that's when it's probably not worth it.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:45 am
by Worldie

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:03 pm
by Darielle
That should translate to roughly 35k-36k on Heroic

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:34 pm
by warden
Our guild Spriest (Settesh, if you want to look in the logs) has a complicated but effective castsequence macro that optimizes his burn phase to get those swings/crits right... I could probably ask him for it if you want.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:53 pm
by Worldie
I'm getting some practice on it

Darielle wrote:That should translate to roughly 35k-36k on Heroic

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-f2h4t ... 48&e=13105
36400 without DI is the best I've been able to do on Ultrax hc, but it's almost 3k more than previous week, so I say it's working.

The burst phase is interestingly challenging to manage, as I have to first align AA with SF (not always possible), and secondary, try to maximize MB usage... best I've been able to perform so far is 3 90% crit 3 orb MB...

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:04 pm
by Darielle
Neat!

Also, why your Bear doesn't go Cat for the first minute of the fight? After he gets Thrall buff, there's no Fading Light until after the first Hour, he can be Kitty during this time. :(

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:43 pm
by Worldie
Question of the day: I have enough haste so that if I move away from Goblin I don't lose any extra tick.

I'm considering going Troll... anyone who plays troll can talk about the effectiveness of Berserking for a caster class?

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:01 am
by Worldie
Anyone has some tricks to share for a dotter for Madness hc? My performance is very inconsistent, I range from top 5 to bottom 5 in damage done and I can't figure out the correct way to deal with it.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:32 am
by Rhiannon
The problem with madness is that spellweave makes the fight ridiculously gimmicky to judge DPS on. For example, imagine you're tanking the regenerative bloods near the corruption before the parasite spawns. Spellweave procs from the bloods hit the corruption, aiding dps on it. Does that mean everyone should just aoe the bloods and hope their spellweave procs kill the corruption? Obviously not, as the proc rate on spellweave is not high enough to outweigh most classes' single target dps, and if everyone did that the bloods would be dead before they were most useful (ie increasing dps on the parasite). However a properly played arms warrior or warlock or dk would spend the single gcd they need to tclap rend onto all the mobs/shadowflame them all/pestilence them all, as spending that one gcd to generate many chances for spellweave procs leads to them doing more effective dps where it's needed. However, it also massively pads their dps numbers.

A shadowpriest could just spam sear into all the bloods and make pretty numbers too, but most of that dps would be completely useless.

Basically, check your damage on the limbs, the corruptions, the parasites, the bolts, the blistering tentacles and the congealing bloods. If those are low then you have a problem (your limb dps should be really high, as should all the multi-dotters), but if you're just looking at overall, and especially regenerative blood dps, then that can be very misleading and encourage bad habits.

Re: [Shadow Priest] Guide/Rotation

PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 2:07 pm
by Worldie
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-z ... 581&e=3829

Anyone good enough to analyze my log and tell me what I can improve? I've been going on a week of "study and improvement" since I was apparently doing 5k dps less than I was supposed to do. I've almost recovered all that DPS missing (Just say I've never made it past 38k in main raid before this week) but I'd like a critical analyze while my officer is AFK for exams.