[Druid] Bear Discussion

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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:15 pm

Mannstein wrote:
bldavis wrote:to all those who think the world (of warcraft) revolves around what paragon uses for world first kills


You may be joking about this... but back when i was in Lightning Blade EU, i was called a nub and questioned on my mental capability since my shamam had a different talent tree from Paragon's. I learn that day that my lvl 23 Shamy didn't have a raiding ready spec...
/shame

it was in response to something someone said in vent last night about shamans being worthless since paragon didnt use any on 25raghm

seriously, were feral druids OP for nef when they used wat 8 of them?
sure they were good, but it was a bug in the fight

paragon used what would help them get the kill with the mechanics of the fight
Rag is a fairly spread out fight, so if you have the choice of a holy priest a resto druid or a resto shammy for raid heals....
i would typically go for a holy priest/resto druid if ppl were having to be spread out at all

shammys are nice, but mostly for fights you dont have to spread out on
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Levantine » Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:51 pm

Really? I'd just stack resto druids. Priests more more bound by proximity than you'd expect.

Also, who said Shaman are worthless? I'm gunna have to start not healing people I think.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Cogglamp » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:14 am

Dream Paragon made some statements about shamans not being in the H: Rag kill and how they need some work. All the fanbois took it to another level on mmo and WoW forums on how shamans suck. You know, the typical knee jerk reaction.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby lythac » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:32 am

Mannstein wrote:You may be joking about this... but back when i was in Lightning Blade EU, i was called a nub and questioned on my mental capability since my shamam had a different talent tree from Paragon's. I learn that day that my lvl 23 Shamy didn't have a raiding ready spec...
/shame


OMG I LOOKED UP Lansoul on the armory and he has only had *24 expertise!!! Everyone tells me I need 26!!!!!!!!!!! He is in Vodka so IMA gonna get 24 cause that is what he has!!


*Pre Vodka's Heroic Ragnoras kill Landsoul was running with 24 expertise. Adds are lvl 87.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Aanar » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:05 am

Which gems for R/Y/B slots do you use on your bear?
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:11 am

Red - Delicate (+40 agil)
Yellow - Puissant (+20 mastery/+20 stam)
Blue - Shifting (+20 agil/+20 stam)

assuming you are matching the socket bonuses
unless its a good bonus, just put delicates
you should get enough stam from enchants and gear until you are getting higher in progression, in which case you need to swap the delicates for shiftings and the shiftings for solids
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Aanar » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:30 am

If you're at the stage of using agility gems over the agi/stam ones for red sockets, wouldn't you also use Adept Ember Topaz (20 agi + 20 mast) for yellow sockets instead of the mast/stam ones?

Thanks for the help!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:13 pm

Aanar wrote:If you're at the stage of using agility gems over the agi/stam ones for red sockets, wouldn't you also use Adept Ember Topaz (20 agi + 20 mast) for yellow sockets instead of the mast/stam ones?

Thanks for the help!

after consulting my armory (cause i just have a crap ton of gems already cut and plug the appropriate color in) i actually use polished for yellow sockets :shock: :oops:
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Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Amirya » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:18 pm

So what's Polished stats?
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:19 pm

Amirya wrote:So what's Polished stats?

+20 amazing/+20 sexy

i mean um +20 agil/+20 dodge
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Amirya » Wed Aug 03, 2011 1:40 pm

bldavis wrote:+20 amazing/+20 sexy

No really, what are Polished stats? :lol:

Agility and Dodge seem pretty decent if you don't wear plate.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Astronomic » Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:16 pm

Eh, wearing plate is irrelevant. My Bear has alot more mitigation through armor than my DK.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Amirya » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:27 pm

I have a pounding headadche, so I may not be remembering correctly, but...plate tanks don't get any benefit from agility as a stat, according to 4.2.

So no, wearing plate is not irrelevant when it comes to that particular gem cut.

(And if I'm wrong about the plate tanks and agility, please someone link what was actually said)
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Astronomic » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:50 pm

O, I misunderstood you. I thought you ment it like "You might want to dodge more so you don't get hit since you get hit harder"

I think its also funny how much people think bears dodge is greater than other classes. I'm more geared than my DK but my dodge is only about 2% greater than his dodge + parry and thats just cuz of my 2% NE racial. End-tier when diminishing returns have run there course on dodge/parry i can see that but atm at least between those classes its not different.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Amirya » Mon Aug 08, 2011 1:51 pm

Astronomic wrote:O, I misunderstood you. I thought you ment it like "You might want to dodge more so you don't get hit since you get hit harder"

Nah, he needs to dodge more so he doesn't have a pack of 5 or 6 charhounds eating his furry ass.

(They don't like the taste of plate, though. Or else the healers like me better than him!)
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:54 pm

Amirya wrote:
Astronomic wrote:O, I misunderstood you. I thought you ment it like "You might want to dodge more so you don't get hit since you get hit harder"

Nah, he needs to dodge more so he doesn't have a pack of 5 or 6 charhounds eating his furry ass.

(They don't like the taste of plate, though. Or else the healers like me better than him!)

well since you are dating our holy priest.....


and yes plate classes do get a benefit from agil

they still get crit...
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Astronomic » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:11 am

bldavis wrote:I'm not sure about pallies but warriors and bears dont use hit/expir
survivability is more important then an extra 300dps


Well that other thread got closed out so I'll respond here. Not including reforging to dodge expertise to soft cap is a bear's second best green stat after mastery. You may think its crit because more crit = more savage defense procs right? Well with more expertise you will gain more crits per minute than with an equal amount of crit rating.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:30 am

i based my previous post on ask mr robot refoging suggestions
im not sure if i am at soft cap or not....>.>
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Shoju » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:00 am

Looking for some unput.

Me

1.) I know I don't have any enchants. I just dinged, and I'm making this guy "earn" his enchants off D/E mats from runs, selling things, etc... I know that I have 20agi/30 stam gem where 40 agi's should go. (chest / Relic) those were 40g each, 40 agi's are 250 right now. They will get changed.

2.) I know I have a "weird gem" in the boots. It is for Meta activation.

3.) Do I want the earthen ring Head Enchant? Or the Ramkahen?
4.) Same thing with Therazane?
5.) How's my spec? Look right?

Any other tips/tricks?
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:25 am

i go with earthen ring, but iirc rahkahen is more dodge (im too lazy to change it)
therazane you want the agil one

spec looks ok
esp for gearing up

the only weird thing about your boot gem is its not shifting or pussiant
the one you have is ok
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
Levie:(in /g) It's weird, I have a collar and I dont know where I got it from, Worgen are kinky!
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Shoju » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:16 am

Thanks BL. I went with the dodge / stam gem because it was sitting in the Gbank, and I will only be using it until I get another yellow slot.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby cerwillis » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:24 am

I think you look fine to tank troll runs. Maybe a crafted belt if you have the means to get one, but I'm sure you have your eye on something. Mainly, just get in there and smash stuff. Nothing is reactive like Pally or DK, you just have to thrash around and keep aggro, and you will probably have your healer compliment you just because you know how to not stand in shit.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Shoju » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:28 am

I'm waiting on the crafted belt to be "crafted" and mailed back to me currently, yes.

Well, I will give a troll run a go tonight and see how it works out. I've been a little sad so far in normal heroics. Threat hasn't been an issue........ because I've been top dps :(
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby bldavis » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:10 pm

hell there are times when im competeing for top slots in trolls even

if you have any questions, just catch me online, or PM me here or in game

looks like you are well on your way though!
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Flex:I don't make mistakes. I execute carefully planned strategic group wipes.
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Re: [Druid] Bear Discussion

Postby Aoaga » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:53 pm

Been on site for a while and finally registered. I have a ton of toons due to severe case of Alt-idas / easy to tire of pressing same buttons doing same thing. However, I have found that I really enjoy playing the Druid. Finally got around to leveling one, and wow did it go fast. And it is nice ot be able to do so many different things (and man if INSTA-Flight-Form doesn’t spoil ya I don’t know what will)….and its really nice for herbalism seein as you don’t have to change form. In any case, I dinged 85 recently, and want to TANK. I have no desire to run anything other than the new HoT Heroics due to gear being really crappy from anything else. I have crafted the 377 PvP Vicious leather set, reforged to 40 percent dodge. I had made a 359 Polearm Scythe thing. Have some enchants, 2 decent trinkets (Alch/another BoE one). Self buffed closing in on 200K health with 40 percent dodge and trying for expertise as second go-to stat. Do you see this as being viable for tankin those runs and getting some PvE gear for DS raid. I actuallly already qualify for the Raid Finder, but read so much crap about people hating on others in PvP gear. But as a Feral Bear….really….I can shell out 12K plus DPS while tanking…..in PvP gear….is that horrible? Thoughts….
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