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Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:01 pm
by Gamingdevil
Does anyone have a good grasp of the bear rotation (priority queue) for 4.0?

My guess is is Mangle > Lacerate > Pulverize at 3 Lacerates, fill in with Mauls, but I have the feeling I'm missing something.

Anyone with any insights?

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:29 am
by sculder
Gamingdevil wrote:Does anyone have a good grasp of the bear rotation (priority queue) for 4.0?

My guess is is Mangle > Lacerate > Pulverize at 3 Lacerates, fill in with Mauls, but I have the feeling I'm missing something.

Anyone with any insights?


You're not missing much at all, except swipe as another rage dump. You keep mangle on cd, keep pulverize up, keep a 3 stack of lacerates up, and maul on cd if you have enough rage.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:48 am
by Gamingdevil
sculder wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:Does anyone have a good grasp of the bear rotation (priority queue) for 4.0?

My guess is is Mangle > Lacerate > Pulverize at 3 Lacerates, fill in with Mauls, but I have the feeling I'm missing something.

Anyone with any insights?


You're not missing much at all, except swipe as another rage dump. You keep mangle on cd, keep pulverize up, keep a 3 stack of lacerates up, and maul on cd if you have enough rage.


How do you swipe? From the limited testing I did on a dummy, I barely had enough GCD's to do what I described above.

Also, do you spam Lacerate until you have 3 or weave in Mangle/Maul on CD?

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:59 pm
by sculder
Gamingdevil wrote:How do you swipe? From the limited testing I did on a dummy, I barely had enough GCD's to do what I described above.

Also, do you spam Lacerate until you have 3 or weave in Mangle/Maul on CD?


I rarely swipe single target because of the GCD loss, but occasionally you'll have pulverize up, mangle on cd, a triple stack of lacerate, and a bunch of rage. Similar to being forced to drop consecration during a boss fight, if all your cds line up in such a way.

As for lacerate, I always hit mangle when it comes up, even if I don't have a triple stack of lacerate. The only case where that's not the case is if I don't have pulverize up and mangle is still up on the target, in which case I'd get 3x lacerates to pulverize.

I'm not a total expert on bears, but that's what I do with great results :)

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 3:57 pm
by Gamingdevil
sculder wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:How do you swipe? From the limited testing I did on a dummy, I barely had enough GCD's to do what I described above.

Also, do you spam Lacerate until you have 3 or weave in Mangle/Maul on CD?


I rarely swipe single target because of the GCD loss, but occasionally you'll have pulverize up, mangle on cd, a triple stack of lacerate, and a bunch of rage. Similar to being forced to drop consecration during a boss fight, if all your cds line up in such a way.

As for lacerate, I always hit mangle when it comes up, even if I don't have a triple stack of lacerate. The only case where that's not the case is if I don't have pulverize up and mangle is still up on the target, in which case I'd get 3x lacerates to pulverize.

I'm not a total expert on bears, but that's what I do with great results :)


So, get your debuffs/buffs up, Mangle asap, don't bother with Maul unless you have 3 stacks of Lacerate, Pulverize is up and Mangle is on cooldown.

Thanks.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:34 pm
by Palmela
FFF? I'd guess you're doing that on the pull though, from what I've read about bear(Not much as cat is my druids MS) maul has a really low TPR rating and isnt even worth the rage unless you're on a raid boss with full vengeance. Otherwise the above is pretty much what I am doing right now, just didn't see anyone mention FFF which should be up right off the bat.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:40 pm
by Flex
FFF is now Sunder and stacks 3 times.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:52 pm
by ryan4nayr
Palmela wrote:FFF? I'd guess you're doing that on the pull though

Sculder briefly mentioned putting buffs/debuffs up, that should include FFF as you pull.

Due to the new Feral Aggression and new debuff duration, FFF has become just a pulling tool.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:37 am
by bldavis
so on pull its FFF-charge-mangle-laceratex3-pulverize-ragedumps

wat about demo roar?
or would that be in between FFF and charge?
or am i totally off now? (havent tanked on my druid since 4.0.1)

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:41 pm
by sculder
bldavis wrote:so on pull its FFF-charge-mangle-laceratex3-pulverize-ragedumps

wat about demo roar?
or would that be in between FFF and charge?
or am i totally off now? (havent tanked on my druid since 4.0.1)


I usually throw in mauls almost on cd if my rage will allow it, to help with initial threat. Demo roar, if not put up by someone else, is usually after my pulverize. My pull for bosses is FFF > charge > mangle/maul combo > lacerate > lacerate > lacerate/maul > pulverize. Usually I have more than enough rage to hit maul on cd for almost the whole fight, especially in the beginning if you pop berserk.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:04 am
by Astronomic
My pull is typically thorns -> rejuv -> bear form -> FF -> enrage -> mangle -> lacerate/maul -> lacerate -> lacerate -> think mangle is off CD at this point so mangle again/maul -> pulverize -> lacerate -> BERSERK/maul.
If you do not have 4set t10 bonus use barkskin to balance out the increased damage taken from enrage.
During berserk I literally am just mashing maul/mangle for 20seconds.
I'm at 6k GS and this does enough agro to stay ahead of our mage doing ~21k.
I do realize he has mirror images out but my threat meter on omen is still ahead of his.
once the fight goes on just keep up the 9% pulverize, always have lacerates on target, maul every CD, lacerate every CD. The DPS's agro amounts should level out over time and you will start pulling away.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:57 am
by Invisusira
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Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 7:24 am
by Astronomic
OP bear does not get dizzy!

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:42 pm
by Corpsegrinder
I'll have to agree, here's what I do first if needed before I get mobs. If I have no rage, I shift out of bear form, then back into for a quick 10 rage so I can charge. Pending on how many mobs there are is what my rotation is. if it's multipule. I'll first use swipe if there's more than two, to get aggro, maul if there's only two, then I'll use maul, then lacerate the mob I have targeted already twice, tab, lacerate, tab lacerate, until I have all the mobs lacerated. Then I utilize the berserk for consecutive mangle's on all victums. Of course I toss in swipe here and there when it's up. Enrage is also in my rotation, but only if I find myself rage starved. Pulverize is of course only used after 3 stacks of lacerate. However FFF? I have yet to configure that into my rotation yet for mob pulls.

now for single target, charge of course if I have the rage, not gonna shift out of bear form for just one target...therefore I just auto attack for a quick rage gain to use growl. Swipe's never used ever, nor is maul since I have the glyph. I just basically use Lacerate 3 times, then mangle. Most of the time, I'm lucky enough for berserk to proc at that time, so I use mangle twice, then pulverize, then back to lacerate, rinse repeat.

Mind you...I never asked anyone the rotation, I just checked them out, BUT if my rotations are wrong, help is always appreciated :)

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:36 am
by Gamingdevil
Why would you not Mangle ever on single target when you have the glyph? The glyph deals 50% damage of the attack to a secondary target, the damage to the main target is unchanged.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:47 am
by Astronomic
Gamingdevil wrote:Why would you not Mangle ever on single target when you have the glyph? The glyph deals 50% damage of the attack to a secondary target, the damage to the main target is unchanged.


Your thinking of glyph of maul which does the additional damage to a 2nd target.
I believe glyph of mangle is 10% more mangle damage.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:37 am
by Astronomic
Corpsegrinder wrote: I'll first use swipe if there's more than two, to get aggro, maul if there's only two, then I'll use maul, then lacerate the mob I have targeted already twice, tab, lacerate, tab lacerate, until I have all the mobs lacerated. Then I utilize the berserk for consecutive mangle's on all victums. Of course I toss in swipe here and there when it's up.

For multi-target situations put thorns on yourself 1st unless u'd lose alot of rage by shifting. Even if its only 2 mobs open with swipe, cuz maul will not do more damage/threat without bleeds on target and swipe will do full damage to both targets while maul does 50% damage to the 2nd target. If you have 60 rage feel free to use both ^.^ .

Corpsegrinder wrote: therefore I just auto attack for a quick rage gain to use growl. Swipe's never used ever, nor is maul since I have the glyph. I just basically use Lacerate 3 times, then mangle. Most of the time, I'm lucky enough for berserk to proc at that time, so I use mangle twice, then pulverize, then back to lacerate, rinse repeat.

If you rely on auto-attack to be your initial threat a decent fury warrior will pull off you every time; You should use enrage to get off a mangle ASAP. Why would you want a quick rage gain to use growl, a taunt? Maul should be hit every time its up because its NOT on the GCD so it can be used without interference of your other abilities, rage allowing.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:44 pm
by Gamingdevil
Astronomic wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:Why would you not Mangle ever on single target when you have the glyph? The glyph deals 50% damage of the attack to a secondary target, the damage to the main target is unchanged.


Your thinking of glyph of maul which does the additional damage to a 2nd target.
I believe glyph of mangle is 10% more mangle damage.


I meant Maul :oops:

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:49 pm
by bldavis
no matter what tanking class you are you should be using an ability for initial threat

for bears, there is FFF and enrage+maul, in addition to thorns, swipe, mangle

most of the time on my pulls i will pop out of bear Thorns-> bear form-> FFF-> run in mangle then start lacerating
for multi pulls Throns-> FFF on main target-> swipe maul tab targeting FFF and mangle on CD

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:34 am
by Corpsegrinder
Honestly, I don't know why I don't use it. Guess it's just a personal preference.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:44 am
by Astronomic
Not using maul because of personal preferance would be akin to a pally tanking with a 2h axe because they think it looks shiny.

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:35 pm
by bldavis
Astronomic wrote:Not using maul because of personal preferance would be akin to a pally tanking with a 2h axe because they think it looks shiny.

RET-TANK FTW!!!

ARCANITE REAPER HO!

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:46 am
by Shoju
I didn't want to post another topic about bear tanking, so I will just ask here.

How in the hell do low level bears tank?

I had thought about swapping my voodookin to a bear to tank a little while leveling, but when I'm looking at my bars (just dinged 29) I would have.

Mangle (Single Target Damage)
Maul (Single Target Damage)
Demo Roar (Debuff)
Enrage (Rage)
Skull Bash (interrupt)
Challenging Roar (3m CD AoE taunt)
Feral Charge (movement)

That's.... 2 damaging abilities and no AoE....

REALLY? Am I missing something? Are bears not supposed to tank before level 36, and even then, they are doing so with 3 damaging abilities?

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:20 pm
by bldavis
very very carefully....

you have to be very careful with pulls and use cc if you can
its a huge PITA, but then again feral in general is pathetic at low levels no matter if you are cat or bear

my new troll druid will be going feral, so i will look into this

Re: Bear rotation in 4.0

PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:13 pm
by Shoju
bldavis wrote:very very carefully....

you have to be very careful with pulls and use cc if you can
its a huge PITA, but then again feral in general is pathetic at low levels no matter if you are cat or bear

my new troll druid will be going feral, so i will look into this



I'm thoroughly enjoying being balance, but I'm just thinking about what I can do to help all the guild rerollers really. I just really can't see how this is a "playable state" for a class.