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[Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

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[Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Perrigrin » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:24 am

So, I am starting to raid as Ret it seems, current weapon is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39758 from Naxx, but yesterday running through the new instance I got my hands on http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47522 (the actual stats on the polearm is 212.3 dps, 106 agi 101 sta 57 crit 60 armor pen 154 ap, and one yellow socket with 4 agi socket bonus - wowhead isnt quite up to date yet).

Now, I have a hard time guestimating which is better for PVE dps, I'm guessing the mace is slightly better - But would appreciate some input (I'm skilling up polearms atm to do real testing).
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Epimer » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:33 am

Download Rawr, select the appropriate raid buffs, and see which weapon gives you higher DPS.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Perrigrin » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:08 am

I got rawr, but the weapon wasnt in there - can i enter "my own items" somehow with rawr?
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Fedaykin98 » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:21 am

I would imagine it's still Jawbone, but definitely hang on to both and see what Rawr says. Sometimes Rawr takes a bit to catch up, but it will.

Of course, now that we use SoV and can use the SoV glyph, the Expertise from Jawbone may be less useful than previously, in which case perhaps the Polearm would pull ahead.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Candiru » Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:22 am

jawbone has an extra 0.1 WS too.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Norfolk » Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:45 pm

With the new 5man that was introduced and the increase of stats that was done on them recently it has me wondering between my current weapon and the [Edge of Ruin].

A 5 man heroic seems like a really crazy way to be able to bypass Naxx 25 weapons, but Blizzard has been known to do things that don't make sense.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Modal » Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:26 am

If the polearm really has 212 dps as opposed to 203 it's almost certainly going to better. Jawbone is good, but .1 weapon speed isn't likely to make up for that big an average dps difference. Possibly if you're far from the expertise cap it will pull ahead, but with SoV glyph now that shouldn't really happen.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Aubade » Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:53 am

Modal wrote:If the polearm really has 212 dps as opposed to 203 it's almost certainly going to better. Jawbone is good, but .1 weapon speed isn't likely to make up for that big an average dps difference. Possibly if you're far from the expertise cap it will pull ahead, but with SoV glyph now that shouldn't really happen.


I can't see the polearm from work, but i imagine it's better than a naxx25 weapon (barring betrayer) Since Naxx25 Weapons are ilevel 213 and the new heroic 5 man is 219 (ulduar10 equiv.)


EDIT: I should probably mention, don't take that as law, you should still take itemzation into account as well.
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Re: [Ret-PVE] Which Weapon?

Postby Shoju » Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:12 pm

I have done a lot of work with rawr trying to evaluate the upgrades, and here is how it works. from a 219 or less ilvl

1.) marrowstrike
2.) edge of ruin
3.) Ironsoul
Everything else

This insinuates that you are hit capped without the weapon.
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