[Retribution] Stat Weightings

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[Retribution] Stat Weightings

Postby Tieran » Thu May 14, 2009 2:55 pm

Anyone got the per stat weightings for ret paladins?

I have been looking for them for a fair bit and can't find them anywhere on EJ / net which is a little bit of a bummer : /

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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby DanimalEQ » Thu May 14, 2009 3:17 pm

MaxDPS, from what I hear, is fairly accurate.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Tieran » Thu May 14, 2009 3:20 pm

DanimalEQ wrote:MaxDPS, from what I hear, is fairly accurate.


Ahh thats rather contradictory to what i have heard.. some fairly creative expletives being used to describe that site :P
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Dorvan » Thu May 14, 2009 3:31 pm

It's an *okay* first approximation last I checked (which was early WotLK), but it's not something I'd rely on. Really, static weights aren't particularly ideal for evaluating gear from the getgo, both because weights change with your gear, and they don't account for caps (in this case, hit and expertise) well. Rawr is my current recommendation for Ret gearing, definitely well worth the time to set up and learn to use it.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Tieran » Thu May 14, 2009 3:32 pm

*shy*

Silly mac user :(

= Broken rawr no gooood for me :(
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Dorvan » Thu May 14, 2009 3:36 pm

Psh, silly mac user. Redcape's spreadsheet (available on EJ) is also pretty accurate last I checked, you just don't get the nice UI that optimizes all your gear for you.

I can also post my current weights when I get home later, but that's gonna be just an approximation for anyone who doesn't have my exact stats and buffs.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Trevize » Thu May 14, 2009 5:58 pm

Rawr is definitely the way to go. It took me awhile to figure it out though. EJ has a ret 3.1 thread that is a great source of info from speccing, to rotations, to glyphs.

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t53532-3_1_ ... in_thread/

Expertise and Hit are much more important since 3.1 because of a double roll thing. They explain it in that thread much better then I could.

One thing that you need to be aware of with rawr is that items will completely shift around once you reach the hit/exp caps. Once you are hit capped....+hit is a useless stat so those heavy +hit items will drop to the bottom of the list many times. Takes a little getting used to when gearing up. 1 item can change a lot of things. Best way to adjust them is through gemming.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Tieran » Fri May 15, 2009 12:34 am

Aye I know a fair bit about the stats etc :P

Just wanted to have a rough estimation as to what stats are weighted at what values. I am gonna be aiming for expertise / hit capped ofc but I was sitting there on the EJ forums reading BiS lists and very specific DPS outputs with those gear sets and thinking wtf how do you get to this. I guess they just take all the stats and multiply them by their weightings, in which case I wanted to do the same with my stats and see how I compared.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Kvaern » Fri May 15, 2009 10:22 pm

As mentioned Redcape's spreadsheet and/or Rawr is the way to go.

One of them is wrong though and I'm no sure which one it is, Redcape values ArP as being equal to Haste whereas Rawr states Haste is much better than ArP.
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Dorvan » Sat May 16, 2009 8:35 am

Tieran wrote:Aye I know a fair bit about the stats etc :P

Just wanted to have a rough estimation as to what stats are weighted at what values. I am gonna be aiming for expertise / hit capped ofc but I was sitting there on the EJ forums reading BiS lists and very specific DPS outputs with those gear sets and thinking wtf how do you get to this. I guess they just take all the stats and multiply them by their weightings, in which case I wanted to do the same with my stats and see how I compared.


No, they use Rawr/spreadsheets, which give you something quite a bit more sophisticated than taking a static weighting system and multiplying by the stats on your gear. These actually plug the stats into all the mechanics about the combat table, ability scaling, expected cooldown on abilities, buffs, talents, glyphs, etc. in order to produce an expected averaged DPS.

A static gear weighting is *ok* for evaluating the relative strength of gear, but it's worthless for getting an estimate of your absolute DPS.

At any rate, here are my current stat weights from Rawr (I tweaked my gear slightly to be under hit cap so that the value of hit would reflect it's below cap worth):

Hit 207
Str 152
Exp 151
Crit 87
Agi 82
Haste 72
AP 60
ArPen 54
SP 17
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Re: Retribution Stat Weightings

Postby Tieran » Tue May 19, 2009 12:43 am

Thats awesome thanks Dorvan.

Just to be sure of what I am looking at... those values are the added DPS given by adding 10 of each of those stats? Or 100 iirc with redcapes back from when I used to be able to get it.
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Re: [Retribution] Stat Weightings

Postby Dorvan » Tue May 19, 2009 6:06 pm

that's DPS per hundred of each stat, given my current gear. The absolute values are highly dependent on your exact gear/buffs, the relative values won't change quite as much.
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Re: [Retribution] Stat Weightings

Postby Baelor » Tue May 19, 2009 8:45 pm

Weapon DPS 617
Hit 213
Str 166
Exp 154
Crit 81
Agi 76
Haste 72
Armor Penetration 72
AP 66
SP 15

That's the last I heard of Redcape's weightings.
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Re: [Retribution] Stat Weightings

Postby Candiru » Wed May 20, 2009 3:26 am

Don't forget weapon speed, its very highly weighted for ret.
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Re: [Retribution] Stat Weightings

Postby Lore » Wed May 20, 2009 9:59 pm

Candiru wrote:Don't forget weapon speed, its very highly weighted for ret.


No it isn't.
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