[PvP Prot] 3.1

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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby majiben » Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:43 pm

Kinkstah wrote:1) Assuming that a blocked attack can't be a crit in pvp like in pve, how important would you say it is to be block capped?
That assumption is wrong.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Kinkstah » Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:25 pm

Thanks. I saw it was brought up earlier in the thread but didn't see anyone confirm/deny it.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Shalcker » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:00 am

Only normal melee attacks cannot crit if blocked, since they use single roll.
Specials can crit regardless due to separate rolls for hit/dodge/block and crit.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby ruodhaid » Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:40 pm

could anyone make a bis gear list for prot pvp? or maybe just a armorty link :)
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Orthien » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:53 pm

Recently desided to try Prot for some PvP and its suprisingly fun and alot more narutral feeling that Ret was for me.
Do those in the 1800+ Arena brackets have any gearing tips for that level i.e. balancing Block gear with PvP gear and any other general tips that might come in handy.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby ruodhaid » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:07 am

im running prot pvp now whit my block gear, only slot i dont have a block value item i shoulders so there i use deadly ret shoulders did abit regemming and enchanting

here i my armory link so you can see what items i use
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http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet ... em&n=Yetun

its relly cool, in ab i had a 21-3 score whitout getting any heals from other players then my self, and im relly not a good pvpér so that just shows how powerfull this spec is, i will try it in 2v2 arena soon
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby ruodhaid » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:53 pm

iv build 2 gear sets for prot pvp but cant deside what i find better

Set 1

22533 armor
523 def
14 dodge
12 parry
25 block 1841 value
50 res
29604 hp
19 crit
3230 ap
t8 2 and 4 set bonus

set 2
22028 armor
515 def
10 dodge
10 parry
29 block 2202 value
50 res
28264 hp
20 crit
3252 ap
t7 2 set bonus

but i have a new personal recort 24-0 score in ab as prot :) that was whit set 2 and a druid healer on me all the time
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby thegreatheed » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:11 pm

http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=67696.0


Now I've seen it all. A thread complaining prot paladins are overpowered in ARENAS.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Big » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:24 am

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Smolderthorn&n=B%C3%ACg

I most likely logged out in my PvE gear, but the 2nd prot spec is my pvp spec.

I have hit almost 2200 2v2, almost 2200 3v3 and am working towards 2100 5v5 as prot. In my opinion, prot has better survivability, burst, and cooldowns than a pvp ret paladin. I have tried pvp'ing as ret, but pvp'ing as prot is just better in pretty much every way.

As far as gear setup goes, I use predominately BV gear socketed with Strength. I have access to Ulduar BV gear so I have BV gear for almost every slot, except shoulders and cloak, though once I get a hold of t8 or 8.5 shoulders I will be using them as well. I use 3 pieces of t7.5, the BV ones, giving me access to 2 piece t7.5 and 2 piece t8.5 once I get the shoulders. I enchant for damage mostly, using the dps leg enchant and helm enchant, and use the 21 def 5% block value meta. For trinkets I opt out of the Lavanthor's Talisman/Autoblocker and prefer using Darkmoon Card: Death and Titan-forged Rune of Determination.

As far as actually playing prot in an arena setting, I play 2v2 with a resto druid, and the real overall strategy is that if your healer is being dps'ed, than you need to be coordinating cooldowns with him so that either you have a stun or snare up, or he has a damage reduction cooldown on him as much as possible. For example, If I was fighting, say a DK/Holy Paladin team, I would want to keep sacred shield on my druid at all times, keep him freedom'ed as much as possible and lay into the DK, stunning when he has freedom and avenger's shielding when he doesn't. For the times that the DK will be able to sit on my healer, we need to make sure that during that time, the druid has barkskin, BoP, Hand of Sacrifice or Divine Sacrifice on him.

If for some reason the dps decide to sit on you, keep holy shield up and sacred shield on yourself as much as possible if the plan is to kill the dps.

After thinking about it, There isn't really many tips to give because playing against real people is never that cut and dry.

To give you an idea of the kind of stats I have, completely unbuffed of course:
25804 Hp
21978 Armor
528 Def
18.27 Dodge
16.12 Parry
28.72 Block
3607 Attack Power
173 Hit
18.31 Crit
2030 Block Value
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby thlight » Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:56 am

While I'm not "geared" as much as most of you in the BV department (I don't have it in front of me as I'm at work) I'm wondering if I should be sacrificing my Def (which is maxed at 540) for some +str gems for dmg output. I'm not 0/54/18 like most of you have stated, I'm 0/51/21 or something like that (like I said I don't have it off the top of my head right now).

Either way, I have been saving up some ret PVP gear to make my big switch over to Ret for PVP but I'm enjoying the hell outa running the flag in WSG and EoTS..... PoJ and HoF/trinket are just plain OP in WSG, put me with a healer on my 6 at all times and it's pretty much insta win. I REALLY want to use this spec in Arenas but I know I don't have the DPS output to solo take down someone fast (i.e. and damn healer class). Basically I outlast pretty much all that come after me, Ret paladins are a joke now.... along with DKs and warriors...

So the question stands.... should I put on my Ret PVP gear and stack resil and +str (I'll be sitting around 960 resil) or stay in the 500 def range and put in some +str/+stam gems.

I'm a hardcore PVP'er... not so much PVE so I hold my own really well with what I'm at right now... just looking at "tweaking" what I got.....
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Threatco » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:22 pm

I am playing 3s as a prot spec healer in arena.

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Just started this week and it is awsome, way beats holy pvp of last season. (casual experience up to 1790s)

My team is up to 1200ish now and its going smooth. My comp is funny but it helps we all have 232 pve weapons. Mage + Ret + Prot spec healer paladin.

20 second stun + 20 second 3 target ranged silence + massive damage reduction + improved divine sacrifice + more mana then any other healer + talented HoF HoP + Stun duration reduction. FTW Did I mention 20 second stun?

Only 1 heal and it can be interupted FTL

I still like it.
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby combatwombat » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:49 pm

Just uploaded a new prot pvp movie, this time im using more pvp oriented gear. 4 parts furious and focussing on high AP/Crit.

Can stream a shorter version on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN0h0ZO1loE&
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download full version, aprox 2 min longer at http://www.filefront.com/14050033/Protection%20PVP3.wmv

Enjoy! :mrgreen:
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby Magnusharkov » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:41 am

um, how the hell did you crit for 17k?

Can you link or list the gearset you use? Or your rough stats?
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Re: [PvP Prot] 3.1

Postby combatwombat » Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:22 am

Im currently in pve gear so can´t link armory. For the crit i had BoK, wings, lavanthor´s, DMC:G and zerker popped. LOO from judgement too.

Gear was most likely t7.5 head and chest. Ulduar BV neck, BV ring, BV Waist from razorscale, BV Hands from council,
Trash bv back from naxx, spider bv wrist. t7.5 ret shoulders for some crit/hit since i lack the t8 or sunwell bv ones.
FL wep with 20str, Grobbulus shield with bv-plating.


All in all around 2,2-2,3k BV unbuffed, not sure about the number.

Worth mentioning is probably that in a mximum bv set you will end up with around 15% crit(if specced at least 18 in retri) and barely any hit at all. So the overall performance is kinda bad, especially vs heavy resilence targets but when all stars align you sure can crit hard=P

Il check stats tonight and edit this post for more accurate stats
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