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[10/25] Highest dps on Patchwerk as Tank

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Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:34 pm

Fridmarr wrote:Well I avoided 4% more swings, I wasn't wearing block heavy gear or anything, just a standard tanking set which is a litte higher on avoidance. My melee swing also missed 5% less than yours and had 5% more crits.

Probably just some good/bad luck with the RNG. You are going to get some differences like that with a small sample, because I doubt our hit and crit percentages are all that different.


Yeah, I thought perhaps my block-heavy set would significantly increase my damage intake, but my DTPS was 4372 vs your 4978, and pwerk hit me for an avg of 7.4 vs your 9.1

I'm wondering where the 10k hit came in -- enrage? -- don't recall popping DP, so perhaps that was it.

I'm gearing and specing a bit different this week, and bringing a different set of consumables. This is basically the only interesting thing left to do in Naxx.

God I hope 3.1 drops soon.
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Postby PsiVen » Mon Feb 02, 2009 7:58 pm

7.4k vs 9.1k is Inspiration/AH (25% armor buff). 10k will happen on a top-end without libram procced and the armor buff down, esp. during the enrage.

My last Patch25 was 2972 dps, all the other WWS expired unfortunately.

And yes, 969 is optimal and has no free GCDs (you have to skip something to reseal). When I last looked at the numbers Exorcism was never worth casting to replace anything, AS sometimes is worth replacing Judgement.
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Postby Auroris » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:39 pm

Hm. I am usually having problems having my shield of the righteous even crit about 13k. On patchwerk, we burned him, and slowed at the end cause someone DC'd and missed the make Quick Werk of Him or whatever off by 1 second or so. Fully raid buffed I'm at 40.4k hp, 33 expertise and 102 hit. I mostly main tank, and on usual attempts about 3.4k to 3.8k. ;( 1677 BV raid buffed.
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Postby Dalithe » Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:24 am

Here's a wws from this week's Patchwerk...I did 200 less dps than the the last time before, but didn't have wws for that one.

I think it's funny my highest damage was melee if I"m reading it right.

Kept between 7.5k-8.5k TPS throughout the encounter. I was MT as the other 2 tanks have more HP

http://wowwebstats.com/yw2cos1hdy5tq?s= ... a=x2a82606


comments? ideas for improvement?

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Postby Epimer » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:04 am

That WWS looks slightly odd to me. Over the length of that fight, you could have managed more ShoRs. There were several Avenger's Shields, Exorcisms and a Holy Wrath - each one of which would've hit for more had you used that GCD for SHoR (or HotR, which also seems a little low in terms of numbers of times used).

I'd guess that that all contributes to the high relative damage percentage of your white swings, plus 3/5 Reckoning. I just wonder if you'd do higher dps by sneaking a point into Improved Judgements and following the 969 rotation.

(on the other hand, I don't have a WWS for any of my recent attempts, so it's easy to be nothing but a critic :) )

Edited for poor counting skillz
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Postby Ratanna » Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:15 am

http://wowwebstats.com/p1ae4ec6cmxh5

3965dps

10250 TPS http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/de ... #damageout

i will be more this week. gonna get rogues to tricks me on cooldown and i will use an insane str pot.
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Postby Adanel » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:36 pm

Interesting topic, i'm going copy what i said in Tankspot rankings:

4257 DPS / 10772 TPS:
http://wowwebstats.com/532rneosjdjtm?s= ... #abilities
http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/1819326#damageout
http://rehfeld.us/wow/tps/report/6127

Trinkets: DC:G + Mirror, normal tanking gear full gemmed and enchanted for EH + T7 chest gemmed for str and SBV bracer(enchanted for stam). Just 1 Tricks at the pull, 3815 DTPS medium to low incoming dmg.
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Postby Ratanna » Wed Feb 18, 2009 8:54 pm

i'm going for gold thursday night. i'll post what i have when we're done.
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Postby Kaienn » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:40 am

http://wowwebstats.com/lqmwp43azbwd5?s=217852-251946
3936 DPS

http://rehfeld.us/wow/tps/report/6561
9819 TPS

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... n&n=Kaienn

Is the gear and spec I was using minus bracers/gloves. Got those that run.
I was using t7.5 with armsman + 2 stam gems and Minion Bracers with Stam gem + enchant.

Plan on replacing Mirror of Truth with a Greatness Card.

I stayed true to the 969 rotation, never missing a beat. Best TPS/DPS rotation by far.
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Postby majiben » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:57 am

If you're going for DPS rather than TPS consider +15 str to your gloves.
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Postby fuzzygeek » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:13 am

Adanel wrote:DC:G


I require this.
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Postby Amaranthea » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:40 pm

Adanel wrote:Interesting topic, i'm going copy what i said in Tankspot rankings:

4257 DPS / 10772 TPS:
http://wowwebstats.com/532rneosjdjtm?s= ... #abilities
http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/1819326#damageout
http://rehfeld.us/wow/tps/report/6127

Trinkets: DC:G + Mirror, normal tanking gear full gemmed and enchanted for EH + T7 chest gemmed for str and SBV bracer(enchanted for stam). Just 1 Tricks at the pull, 3815 DTPS medium to low incoming dmg.


Hmm, most of the stats here are comparable to my parse from 2 weeks ago, except that you did almost 50000 more swing (autoattack) damage. Fight lengths were comparable (2:46 vs 2:48 ). The only big thing that jumps out is that you're using Broken Promise + Mirror and I'm using Last Laugh + Repelling Charge as my second trinket (I have DMC:G). I was missing a few relevant raidbuffs as well (2% physical, maybe others) but I don't see that accounting for such a huge difference in autoattack damage, especially when most other abilities were pretty close. You sure won the crit RNG though.

ShoR is consistently my highest contributor to overall DPS, while yours (judging by the other fights in that log) seems to be autoattacks. In terms of overall DPS it seems like I got slightly unlucky on Patchwerk (I actually did less DPS on him than on a couple other fights) but the auto vs ShoR seems pretty consistent. Thoughts? I think I may have to do some math / testing on weapon speed; I haven't really thought about it much until now, but there's clearly something strange going on here.

http://wowwebstats.com/4j1spmy66miog?s= ... &a=x7d94c8

Edit: Do you get similar results without reckoning?
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Postby majiben » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:56 pm

Reckoning is decent for dps (especially on patch) just not TPS.
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Postby Adanel » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:07 am

Amaranthea wrote:Hmm, most of the stats here are comparable to my parse from 2 weeks ago, except that you did almost 50000 more swing (autoattack) damage. Fight lengths were comparable (2:46 vs 2:48 ). The only big thing that jumps out is that you're using Broken Promise + Mirror and I'm using Last Laugh + Repelling Charge as my second trinket (I have DMC:G). I was missing a few relevant raidbuffs as well (2% physical, maybe others) but I don't see that accounting for such a huge difference in autoattack damage, especially when most other abilities were pretty close. You sure won the crit RNG though.

ShoR is consistently my highest contributor to overall DPS, while yours (judging by the other fights in that log) seems to be autoattacks. In terms of overall DPS it seems like I got slightly unlucky on Patchwerk (I actually did less DPS on him than on a couple other fights) but the auto vs ShoR seems pretty consistent. Thoughts? I think I may have to do some math / testing on weapon speed; I haven't really thought about it much until now, but there's clearly something strange going on here.

http://wowwebstats.com/4j1spmy66miog?s= ... &a=x7d94c8

Edit: Do you get similar results without reckoning?

I've got 32 swings due reckoning for a total of 127, that's 32/(127-32) ~1/3 swings under reckoning, you got 20 out of (161-20)~1/7.5, RNG helped me with more procs.

My average weapon speed was 166/95 =~1.74s, yours 168/141 =~ 1.19. Due that you lose 0.79/2 = 40% of reckoning, i lose 0.26/2 = 13%(this is a dangerous simplification if i was at more than 2s out of bloodlust but numbers are probably near that for sure). If you had same amount of reckoning procs that would still mean only ~22% more white dmg while i've got ~33% (this compared to no reckoning).

Probably for bosses with high amount of reckoning procs the benefit of Last Laugh higher DPS doesn't make it better than Broken Promise for DPS, if this is true and for what amount only hard math can show, i probably wouldn't take formulations like the ones i did to be sure about numbers, simulation seens the way to go to look at this.

As for crit RNG... well i had 35%+ crit with raid buffs/debuffs and was almost at 7% +hit, got 0 misses in auto attack but 2 in ShoR for 8%, those 2 misses completely negated my luck with crits on that. The 7% more white crits boosted my dps for maybe ~0.07*0.26 = 1.8%. Reckoning procced 9 times(2 refreshs) for 8 expected. I can go on with numbers to see how much luck helped or screwed me but i can't see it as a significant amount, my DPS always raised in a constant way(other than server lag 2 or 3 days) since we started doing patchwerk 25, decreased only when 3.0.8 hit but i'm now at where i was before.

I don't raid without reckoning (in this expansion was using 3/5 at start them gone 5/5) but the numbers shows clearly that it boosted my white dps for ~1/3 so i would do ~1/4 less white dps without it (more of less due RNG), on other bosses(other than sapp due the aura ticks) it's of course much less.

Finally the melee numbers difference are probably due RNG, weapon speed + reckoning mechanics, your lower expertise(not even soft capped) and your low luck with reckoning procs, if you had 5/5 reck in that log you should expect at least 9 procs and got only 5.
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Postby Amaranthea » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:29 am

Thanks for the quick reply - I'm still a little surprised that the difference was that large, but I mostly wanted to make sure that there wasn't some major mechanic I was misunderstanding or unaware of.

Might have to run Naxx with Broken Promise next week.
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