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[10/25] Highest dps on Patchwerk as Tank

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[10/25] Highest dps on Patchwerk as Tank

Postby Dalithe » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:51 am

Just curious as to what the highest dps on Patchwerk is as a pally tank. I've been playing around alot tryin' to up my dps/tps and I use Patchwerk each week as my "pure" test. (Although a nice fight with non-undead would be better, this will do :)

Here's a link to my armory, my gear is different than what I run on Patchwerk though, it is a modified spec though.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... &n=Dalithe

After getting 540 atleast DR, I make sure I'm Hit capped (I use hit food so I can put more BV gear on), then I put on as much block and expertise gear as possible without gimping my stamina or avoidance.

last week 25 was 3.1k, I screen shot it, but didn't get wws cause the normal guy that does that was MIA and the back up was like....yea...so I was left without somethin' to review :(

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Postby Jerey-Darkspear » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:30 am

Wasn't it established elsewhere that the 969 rotation was highest threat and thus dps and there was no room for exorcism in that rotation? If so, the undead vs. non-undead wouldn't really matter. I personally only use Exorcism as a pulling tool that follows the Avenger's Shield. Then I go into my rotation and never have a spare GCD to leave it.
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Postby skolor » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:01 pm

969 should have 1 open GCD every 18 seconds. I use that for exorcism/shield throw.

As far as DPS goes, I did 2k last night in a 10 man.
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Postby Vanifae » Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:35 pm

I use 969 as a guideline not a law.
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Re: [10/25] Highest dps on Patchwerk as Tank

Postby Meloree » Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:16 pm

Dalithe wrote:Just curious as to what the highest dps on Patchwerk is as a pally tank. I've been playing around alot tryin' to up my dps/tps and I use Patchwerk each week as my "pure" test. (Although a nice fight with non-undead would be better, this will do :)


http://www.wowmeteronline.com/rank/clazz/tps/all/6

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Postby Xfighter » Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:03 pm

In mainly Naxx10\Badge\Heroic gear I can do roughly 2400-2500 DPS on Patchwerk-10, not sure about 25 as I never get to "MT" it, and thus have to watch my threat.
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Postby Dalithe » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:41 pm

Meloree, thanks this was almost exactly what I was looking for! Now my dumbness has to figure out how to make it work for me lol.

As for the 696 rotation, I don't use that, I have 2 points in Improved Judgements and 5 points in Conviction for 5% more crit. My rotation is based primarily off of Judging to proc Libram, and ShoR the bosses face as hard as I can.

Other bosses when I'm not MT'ing I just sit behind the MT on threat and make sure no one gets ahead of me....then watch tv.

The build I'm using is a threat build that I'm playing around with for Naxx and other current raids, the only time I respec back to 5/61/5 is for [10] Sarth +3. In case we don't bring ret pallies for Kings.

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Postby Vanifae » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:55 pm

You are probably actually losing dps if you are waiting for the Libram proc, in the long run.
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Postby fuzzygeek » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:13 pm

Xfighter wrote:as I never get to "MT" it, and thus have to watch my threat.


You can always toggle RF on and off.

I did a little over 3500 dps last week, using a standard 969, without exorcism. Looking at the WWS, I missed a lot. I think I'll try some hit food and maybe pick up a hit trinket for this week.
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Postby Dalithe » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:32 pm

Libram procs after every judgement, so not much wait time. If I that's on cooldown then it's time to refresh Holy Shield, HotR, Consecration and Exorcism and Holy Wraith. My "goal" for boss fights besides placement, is to use my abilities on cooldown, so that my GCD never stops.

Next week I'll miss the 25 man runs cause of work sadly, so no practice for a bit.

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Postby Fridmarr » Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:47 pm

Dalithe wrote:Libram procs after every judgement, so not much wait time. If I that's on cooldown then it's time to refresh Holy Shield, HotR, Consecration and Exorcism and Holy Wraith. My "goal" for boss fights besides placement, is to use my abilities on cooldown, so that my GCD never stops.

Next week I'll miss the 25 man runs cause of work sadly, so no practice for a bit.

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Not using a 969 and waiting at all are causing you to do less dps/tps. The point of the 969 is to make sure you use your best threat abilities as soon as they are available and you be GCD locked most of the time.

Here's my last WWS of patch, it's not my best but it's good enough to make that list. http://wowwebstats.com/fgceiewjxyxyk?s= ... &a=x5941db
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Postby fuzzygeek » Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:41 pm

Fridmarr wrote:Here's my last WWS of patch, it's not my best but it's good enough to make that list. http://wowwebstats.com/fgceiewjxyxyk?s= ... &a=x5941db


Last week: http://wowwebstats.com/so2liww2665fi?s= ... &a=xcdf704

It's interesting to me that your white swing damage is #2, and 2% over HS.

Compare:
ShoR 22%
Swing 17%
HS 15%
HotR 12%
Cons 10%
Holy Vengeance 10%
Judgement: 8%

ShoR 27%
HotR 14%
HS 14%
Swing 14%
Cons 9%
Blood Corruption 8%
Judgement 7%
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Postby dmok » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:24 pm

Dalithe wrote:Libram procs after every judgement, so not much wait time. If I that's on cooldown then it's time to refresh Holy Shield, HotR, Consecration and Exorcism and Holy Wraith. My "goal" for boss fights besides placement, is to use my abilities on cooldown, so that my GCD never stops.

Next week I'll miss the 25 man runs cause of work sadly, so no practice for a bit.

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I did the math on this a little while ago in another thread on here.
Using 969, only 1 in 3 ShoR does not have the libram buff for it, but you are using ShoR every 6s. Waiting for the buff, you are using ShoR every 8s.


In otherwords, over a 5minute fight:

Not waiting: 50 shor (34 buffed, 16 unbuffed)
Waiting: 37 shor (37 buffed, 0 unbuffed)


s = shor damage.

34s + 16(s+395) = 37(s+395)
solving for s. s = 637

So, waiting for the buffed ShoR is more beneficial for ShoR damage < 637. Otherwise don't wait.

(example of expected damage difference at s=2000)
not waiting: total ShoR damage = 106320
waiting: total ShoR damage = 88615
difference = 17705


TL;DR Stick with the standard 969 rotation and you will do more dps, and therefore more tps than waiting.
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Postby Fridmarr » Mon Feb 02, 2009 1:50 pm

fuzzygeek wrote:
Fridmarr wrote:Here's my last WWS of patch, it's not my best but it's good enough to make that list. http://wowwebstats.com/fgceiewjxyxyk?s= ... &a=x5941db


Last week: http://wowwebstats.com/so2liww2665fi?s= ... &a=xcdf704

It's interesting to me that your white swing damage is #2, and 2% over HS.

Compare:
ShoR 22%
Swing 17%
HS 15%
HotR 12%
Cons 10%
Holy Vengeance 10%
Judgement: 8%

ShoR 27%
HotR 14%
HS 14%
Swing 14%
Cons 9%
Blood Corruption 8%
Judgement 7%


Well I avoided 4% more swings, I wasn't wearing block heavy gear or anything, just a standard tanking set which is a litte higher on avoidance. My melee swing also missed 5% less than yours and had 5% more crits.

Probably just some good/bad luck with the RNG. You are going to get some differences like that with a small sample, because I doubt our hit and crit percentages are all that different.
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Postby masterpoobaa » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:18 pm

I got 2.1k in one terribad 25man patch pug.
Pretty nifty i thought as my normal average dps is in the order of 1.3 to 1.5k dps.


this was of course fully raid buffed at 35k health, 1200BV.
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