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Postby TokenElf » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:13 am

Andryana wrote:I just don't understand these hotfixes(and they are all to Ret), is it really needed to balance lvl 70 PvP when we are two weeks away from expansion?

In the meanwhile arcane mages are two-shotting people and that is fine..


And Resto druids were getting their shoulders with no issues for 3 seasons and they never got hotfixed to stop dominating as healers in 2v.

Warriors were 22% of all arena characters above 2K for 3 seasons. No hotfixes there.

But if a ret paladin can get there, TO THE GROUND BABY
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Postby Nemue » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:40 am

What seems to elude everyone complaining about retridins, is that retridins get every single dpstalent they need with the talentpts they have at lvl70, while pretty much every other class needs the extra 10 from reach lvl80 to reach their full potential.

By the time we reach 80 and everyone has caught up, we´ll be behind, again.
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Postby Sabindeus » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:06 am

Nemue wrote:What seems to elude everyone complaining about retridins, is that retridins get every single dpstalent they need with the talentpts they have at lvl70, while pretty much every other class needs the extra 10 from reach lvl80 to reach their full potential.

By the time we reach 80 and everyone has caught up, we´ll be behind, again.


Well that's just false.
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Postby Sabindeus » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:06 am

TokenElf wrote:
Andryana wrote:I just don't understand these hotfixes(and they are all to Ret), is it really needed to balance lvl 70 PvP when we are two weeks away from expansion?

In the meanwhile arcane mages are two-shotting people and that is fine..


And Resto druids were getting their shoulders with no issues for 3 seasons and they never got hotfixed to stop dominating as healers in 2v.

Warriors were 22% of all arena characters above 2K for 3 seasons. No hotfixes there.

But if a ret paladin can get there, TO THE GROUND BABY


It's true. I don't understand why so many hotfixes were needed for this.
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Postby Worldie » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:19 am

Sabindeus wrote:
It's true. I don't understand why so many hotfixes were needed for this.

I'm personally hotfixing myself by having a warrior ready to use if they don't stop nerfing retri and backfiring that on us before the 13 of november ;)
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Postby Io.Draco » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:38 am

Worldie wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
It's true. I don't understand why so many hotfixes were needed for this.

I'm personally hotfixing myself by having a warrior ready to use if they don't stop nerfing retri and backfiring that on us before the 13 of november ;)


By looking at your warrior I would say you already decided on that :P
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Postby Worldie » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:06 pm

Nah i really havent decided what to play in WotLK, but the costant unnecessary nerfs we're getting because of retri make me wish they delete retribution tree completely and replace it with a button "Transform your character into a arms warrior".

p.s armory is outdated, my warrior looks much cooler now (ssc mace + gruul shield) and has the band of etenity too, and some more upgrades :P
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Postby Lother » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:32 pm

Worldie wrote:Nah i really havent decided what to play in WotLK, but the costant unnecessary nerfs we're getting because of retri make me wish they delete retribution tree completely and replace it with a button "Transform your character into a arms warrior".

p.s armory is outdated, my warrior looks much cooler now (ssc mace + gruul shield) and has the band of etenity too, and some more upgrades :P


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Postby Worldie » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:35 pm

Meh, spellreflecting pyros is addictive, believe me :<
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Postby Fenris » Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:48 pm

Think i dont have words left....

.....i'll go remove AW from my bar for pve,brb
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Postby Elsie » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:08 pm

They've seen the massive influx of paladins as people feeling they need to be paladin to compete. I see this as a majority of those people wanted to be a paladin, but they could not since paladin is not, historically and currently, competitive.


Really, paladin is extremely strong against people with lesser gear. However, in arena settings where the majority of players have resilience and season 3 or better those advantages are quickly stripped.


I still want divine shield to turn into magic and debuff immunity with no forbearance. See my previous post on the subject. And this would be a buff to Protection paladins.
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Postby Snikks » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:15 pm

Worldie wrote:
Sabindeus wrote:
It's true. I don't understand why so many hotfixes were needed for this.

I'm personally hotfixing myself by having a warrior ready to use if they don't stop nerfing retri and backfiring that on us before the 13 of november ;)


Snap, my warrior has started levelling rather rapidly after this last "fix".
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Postby Erendis » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:15 pm

You know, I think i'd almost be fine with this if they went back to a 1 minute forebearance.
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Postby moduspwnens » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:35 pm

It's just a little patronizing that they don't seem to think things like this through.
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Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:38 pm

They're getting close to deadline, and hotfixing is their solution to not having enough time to implement properly and still get adequate testing on whether the change works. It isn't ideal, because with hotfixes are limited in what they can change (note that GC said they'd use forbearance *if* it could be hotfixed to shorter duration, which it apparently could).
This change was done on short notice, yes, and it's not particularly well implemented, but I think it was really just a "lets see if locking out bubble and wings make ret pvp look more balanced" change, and I trust they'll actually fix the implementation after they've seen the result. Remember that from the patch day to WotLK release 3.0 is still essentially a work in progress (yes that can be said of WoW as a whole, but they at least try to get things to a stable state by release).
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