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Re: To the ground baby! :D

Postby fiorina » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:18 am

Katamai wrote:First of, happy nerf day everybody! :D

Second, so Worldie wouldn't kick my ass and ban me for QQing, here's an easy way to fix and revert seal nerfs for prot/holy.

Martyr-Blood/Command go 2H weapon only
Righteousness, Light, Wisdom, Vengeance-Corruption go 1H weapon only

Simple fix for a quite unnerving problem. That way Ret won't just switch to SoV/SoR when SoC/SoB are fixed/normalized/nerfed.
Nerfs to seals and judgments are getting really out of hand. I'm already doing waaaaay less dmg with SoV than what i did in 2.4.3 so i can imagine how things will be in Wrath of the Nerf King.

And while at it, remove SoV 5stack "crits"... seeing "Seal of vengeance crits X for 7 Holy Damage" was a giggle at first but now it's just getting annoying <_<

EDIT: It's amusing they post this nerf on weekend when no blues are around. Perfect timing eh? ;)


Haha, got exactly same thought about new topic name. Just being in apathy from recent paladin development, so too lazy to post. Thanks for help :)
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Postby Obrimos » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:23 am

Warcraft wrote:
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Warcraft wrote:So you're just proposing a reduction to everybody's game play flexibility?

That is a horrible fix. Way to nerf FUN, the one thing that actually counts.

Wait... you're calling this "flexibility"?

Prot and holy being nerfed due to their inability to balance ret is "flexibility"? Our DPS and TPS suffering cause rets just switched seals when Command/Blood got nerfed is "flexibility"? My solo, grinding and FUN should not suffer because Blizzard can't tone down ret dps without nerfing all 3 damn trees.

Get off your high horse... if you find it "FUN" to have to spend more time on killing a mob, more time grinding while lvling, have less TPS, less DPS in raids, have more downtime/drinking, then sorry... i'm not into S&M.

Yes, I'm calling being able to use abilities regardless of what weapon you have equipped flexibility.

Your suggestion is no different from what Blizzard has done. Nerfing EVERYONE to fix one tree.

You are just doing it in a way that seems to fit your own play style better. Still no regard for others.

No need to make dumbass comments just because somebody shot down your crappy suggestion.


He isn't suggeseting a nerf, though. He's suggesting a change to the Seal mechanics that make the specs possible.

You're suggesting we stay craptastic so that you can seal Blood with your 1 hander.

One's a good suggestion.

The other's retarded.

He's not nerfing fun, he's giving the designers flexibility. Fuck your flexibility, I want to tank.
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Postby Katamai » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:25 am

Warcraft wrote:Yes, I'm calling being able to use abilities regardless of what weapon you have equipped flexibility.

Your suggestion is no different from what Blizzard has done. Nerfing EVERYONE to fix one tree.

You are just doing it in a way that seems to fit your own play style better. Still no regard for others.

No need to make dumbass comments just because somebody shot down your crappy suggestion.


Err.... you're one of those "I WANT TO BE BEST AT EVERYTHING!!!!" types, aren't you?

As prot you shouldn't even have SoC.
As holy you shouldn't even have SoC.
WHY would you care if SoC was 2H seal?

SoB has very, very limited use for prot and even less (if any) for holy. Why would you care if it was 2H seal? You're not going to use it for soloing, raiding or well... almost anything so how does this affect you?

Don't make dumbass comments and expect others to agree with you and give you a pat on the back. Oh and "because it suits your playstyle comment"... priceless! I hope i'm not the only enjoying the irony in your statement ;)
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Postby Macha » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:31 am

Warcraft wrote:Yes, I'm calling being able to use abilities regardless of what weapon you have equipped flexibility.


Except that chosing between four different, crappy abilities is not flexibility.

So, no, you are wrong - and calling things "dumbass" just shows your lack of proper arguments.
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Re: To the ground baby! :D

Postby Worldie » Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:49 am

fiorina wrote:
Haha, got exactly same thought about new topic name. Just being in apathy from recent paladin development, so too lazy to post. Thanks for help :)

You disappoint me Fiori, i thought you was gearing up your warrior like i do :P
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Postby Pallychick » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:07 am

couple things i notice with this is our threat reduction now when judging seal of light on mobs/bosses. we knew that was coming as our threat was out of control while using it.

what makes no sense to me is was mana regen such an issue to begin with, that it had to be changed? i realize there was some threat gained by using it, but was it really that much? and what does it do to the ret now? is he still a mana battery, or is he back to the old ways of only being useful for the first couple minutes of a fight, and then going oom? no, the mana regen nerfs make no sense to me. please explain.
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Postby Bereid » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:13 am

yea im seriously thinking about leveling my Hunter first now =/ This nerf was absolutely illogical. I'm sick and tired of seeing classes nerfed in PvE due to people whining about getting wtfpwnt in PvP. Epic fail blizz =(
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Re: To the ground baby! :D

Postby fiorina » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:23 am

Worldie wrote:
fiorina wrote:
Haha, got exactly same thought about new topic name. Just being in apathy from recent paladin development, so too lazy to post. Thanks for help :)

You disappoint me Fiori, i thought you was gearing up your warrior like i do :P


:<

I do... but.. ...this November it will be 4 years of playing WoW. So hard to find motivation to kill 100k bears to level up another char, just because Blizzard is out of ideas, time or will for paladin.
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Postby Epimer » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:30 am

Possibly crazy idea here, but what about changing One-Handed Weapon Specialisation to contain a modifier to Seal/Judgement damage (back up to current levels)? That way Ret can be nerfed to sensible levels without affecting Prot. Doesn't do much for Holy's soloing capabilities, though.
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Re: To the ground baby! :D

Postby Katamai » Sat Oct 25, 2008 11:52 am

fiorina wrote::<

I do... but.. ...this November it will be 4 years of playing WoW. So hard to find motivation to kill 100k bears to level up another char, just because Blizzard is out of ideas, time or will for paladin.


Wintersaber, Deatcharger (even though it's stupidly easy to get it now, GJ Blizz), exalted with zillion factions, 55 mounts, 57 pets, almost 4 years of memories, bunch of old gear (T0 ftw!)... i thought about lvling a warrior... but i'd rather die than get all this again :/
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Re: To the ground baby! :D

Postby tbolt » Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:21 pm

Katamai wrote:
fiorina wrote::<

I do... but.. ...this November it will be 4 years of playing WoW. So hard to find motivation to kill 100k bears to level up another char, just because Blizzard is out of ideas, time or will for paladin.


Wintersaber, Deatcharger (even though it's stupidly easy to get it now, GJ Blizz), exalted with zillion factions, 55 mounts, 57 pets, almost 4 years of memories, bunch of old gear (T0 ftw!)... i thought about lvling a warrior... but i'd rather die than get all this again :/


Same here, I put more time into my pally than all other alts combined. To have to dumb many hours into leveling and gearing another character 'cause Blizz can't figure out a game plan is frustrating.

At this point i almost wish they'd homogenize away...just put a "holy" in front of warrior abilities and I'll buy it. If being unique and having our own flavor means underperforming in comparison to the other tanks and having less fun playing then I don't want it.
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Postby crabcrouton » Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:24 pm

What hurts the most is the gap between what we were told and what we were given. Communication needs to be a two way street.

Ghostcrawler wrote:We want to be very surgical about what we do.

Completely incongruent with what happened. There is nothing surgical about a wall of nerfs to every ability across the board regardless of Spec (Holy/Prot/Ret) in group PvE, solo and PvP viability pertaining to dps, healing and group utility.

GC wrote: We don't want to overdo it, and we don't want to hurt their sustained PvE damage

Ret's PvE rotation is now limited because of the JotW nerf. Our Ret paladin said that he has to drop Consecrate from his rotation. Holy Wrath/Exorcism are also gone. Forget about the healing from Art of War too.

GC wrote:When we've decided, I'll make sure you all know.

For an entire week they said nothing about what else is coming down the pipes for Ret (Divine Storm doing Melee dmg is not new to this patch). The last round of nerfs, imo, put Ret into balance quite fine and despite what QQing there were, it was necessary. But this new round of nerfs came out of nowhere. They didn't tell us when they've decided, nor when they changed it, nor when they implemented the changes. Communication at its best.

GC wrote:Q: Are we going to nerf Ret?
A: TO THE GROUND BABY. Okay, not really, but sometimes I can't resist. We'll see how much that quote comes back to haunt me.

Coming back to haunt you now GC. This is the only part of what you said that is true.
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Postby Jensaarai » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:03 pm

crabcrouton wrote:What hurts the most is the gap between what we were told and what we were given. Communication needs to be a two way street.

Ghostcrawler wrote:We want to be very surgical about what we do.

Completely incongruent with what happened. There is nothing surgical about a wall of nerfs to every ability across the board regardless of Spec (Holy/Prot/Ret) in group PvE, solo and PvP viability pertaining to dps, healing and group utility.

GC wrote: We don't want to overdo it, and we don't want to hurt their sustained PvE damage

Ret's PvE rotation is now limited because of the JotW nerf. Our Ret paladin said that he has to drop Consecrate from his rotation. Holy Wrath/Exorcism are also gone. Forget about the healing from Art of War too.

GC wrote:When we've decided, I'll make sure you all know.

For an entire week they said nothing about what else is coming down the pipes for Ret (Divine Storm doing Melee dmg is not new to this patch). The last round of nerfs, imo, put Ret into balance quite fine and despite what QQing there were, it was necessary. But this new round of nerfs came out of nowhere. They didn't tell us when they've decided, nor when they changed it, nor when they implemented the changes. Communication at its best.

GC wrote:Q: Are we going to nerf Ret?
A: TO THE GROUND BABY. Okay, not really, but sometimes I can't resist. We'll see how much that quote comes back to haunt me.

Coming back to haunt you now GC. This is the only part of what you said that is true.


It's getting very, very frustrating...
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Postby tbolt » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:23 pm

Not as much surgically tuning one spec as it was carpet bombing the whole class.
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Postby Macha » Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:51 pm

Tbolt wrote:Not as much surgically tuning one spec as it was carpet bombing the whole class.


You're wrong, seriously. They ARE doing it surgically.
Here is an instruction video of how they do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEkT5uspE3c


See? Surgery at its finest.
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