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Mana while not tanking?

Postby Nemue » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:55 am

Did anyone test what our mana was like when we´re not tanking?

If the mob we´re tanking dies and you´re freed up to do whatever, its been stated that tanks dps are increased to make them more useful when they´re not tanking, but has anyone tested what our mana is like when we´re trying to dps? the other 3 tanks has infinite resources, while ours are turned into a very finite source as soon as we´re no longer taking dmg or have someone trying to hit us.

Since if we´re not tanking we no longer get mana from Spiritual Attunement, nor do we get any mana back form dodge/block/parry, which from what i can see means our only source of manaregen will be from JoW, but is that enough to maintain a meaningful dps-rotation?

I guess with only a HotR/ShotR/Judgement rotation it may be sufficient, but what if we want to include avengersshield, consecration and Hammer of wrath once the mob is under 35%?

Anyway, just curious if anyone tested it.
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:59 am

Testing shows that we can keep up our threat rotation while taking exactly 0 damage for about 2 minutes, 3 if you also pot.

edit: assuming you don't use Consecration and Holy Shield.
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Postby Palmela » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:00 am

Doing it right now actually, seal of wisdom and judge with wis and youll be fine, HotR works well with dps surprisingly.
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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:09 am

What kind of dps do we do with that kind of rotation? It wasn't very fun doing between 1-200 dps on nightbane <.<
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Postby PsiVen » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:13 am

Without ShoR, pretty terrible DPS. It's not so bad at 75+ though.

Bottom line, the problem hasn't been dealt with.
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:18 am

Bottomline, if you have 2 tanks, one has to offtank, and it's a DPS race, let that one be the non-paladin.

WARRIORS ARE BETTER OFFTANK THAN US KKK?
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Postby Jedah » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:25 am

Worldie wrote:WARRIORS ARE BETTER OFFTANK THAN US KKK?


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Postby Katamai » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:48 am

Worldie wrote:Bottomline, if you have 2 tanks, one has to offtank, and it's a DPS race, let that one be the non-paladin.

WARRIORS ARE BETTER OFFTANK THAN US KKK?


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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:55 am

It won't be dead until i log on.
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Postby Katamai » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:57 am

Worldie wrote:It won't be dead until i log on.


Sooner or later you will have to!

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Postby Zironic » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:15 am

I'd like to see a talent or ability that looks something like

If your target is attacking someone else then you gain lots of mana.

Alternatively:
You take alot more damage but deal equal dps to a prot war.

(I guess the dual spec is kinda the second one, we spec into ret, is duel spec live anywhere yet?)
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Postby Worldie » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:26 am

Katamai wrote:
Worldie wrote:It won't be dead until i log on.


Sooner or later you will have to!

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Actually i'll prepare more macros for shield toss, including SHIELD TO FACE.
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Postby Katamai » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:30 am

Worldie wrote:Actually i'll prepare more macros for shield toss, including SHIELD TO FACE.


You do know that smacking a gnome in the face with a shield is considered child abuse right? <_<
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Re: Mana while not tanking?

Postby Lumennon » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:22 am

Nemue wrote:I guess with only a HotR/ShoR/Judgement rotation it may be sufficient, but what if we want to include avengersshield, consecration and Hammer of wrath once the mob is under 35%?


fixt.

Please, for the last time, it's ShoR, not ShotR. There is no "Shield of the Righteous".

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Postby Sarkan-ZdC » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:03 am

The "you can do 2 Min of Damage, if you pot 3 Min) is that with:

- Divine Plea on CD?
- Hand of Sacrifice on the MT?
- Replenishment Buff?
- Judgement of Wisdom?
- 0 Damage in the whole time (unlikely *g*)
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