diminishing returns on parry to?

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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:31 am

Garath.Gorefiend wrote:
Worldie wrote:
Garath.Gorefiend wrote:
Majiben wrote:
steadypal wrote:again just thought dodge was affected, not parry

and BR seems to not be affected by DR
Miss is also affected by DR. BR seems to be the only one not affected.


Havent seen this proven yet...if it is, no one has published what the miss cap is...

But BR is definitely not affected by diminishing returns

The defense, parry and dodge mouseover tooltip all states "Before DR". Block doesnt.


Granted, and not disagreeing...just saying the only evidence we have that miss is affected by DR is a post from a blue and it wasnt specific.

There is no current way I am aware of to determine your chance to be hit via the WoW API. So determining that there actually is DR on Miss chance from defense is pretty much impossible at present.


They've removed the "removes chance to be hit and critically hit by x%" blurb that pops up when you mouseover defense in the character sheet? (Not on ptr, so no idea).
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Postby Embher » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:32 am

Here it is for parry rating. I assumed 10% base parry with talents, which I used to sum with diminished parry % from gear to obtain total parry diminished % on character sheet. Let me know if that is wrong...

Many paladins have about 15 - 25% parry becauase we mostly invest in dodge %. WEll with earlier numbers, we might pick parry rating over dodge rating because it gives more avoidance/parr % for given undiminished parry rating.

At 17% total diminished parry % on character sheet, another 23.65 parry rating to give 1% undiminished parry % at level 70 would give only really 0.76 parrry %.
At 20% total parry %...another 1% und parry % would give 0.66%
At 25% total parry %...another 1% und parry % would give 0.49%
At 30% total parry %...another 1% und parry % would give 0.352%


A 100 % of undiminished parry % from parry rating would give a total of 42% parry, and 1% undimished parry is worth 0.2%.

Parry % from gear
Diminished parry % from gear
Total parry % after diminishing effect
Worth of 1% parry contribution from defense or parry rating

1 1.0 11.0
2 2.0 12.0 0.980
3 2.9 12.9 0.939
4 3.8 13.8 0.900
5 4.7 14.7 0.864
6 5.5 15.5 0.830
7 6.3 16.3 0.798
8 7.1 17.1 0.768
9 7.8 17.8 0.740
10 8.6 18.6 0.713
11 9.2 19.2 0.687
12 9.9 19.9 0.663
13 10.5 20.5 0.640
14 11.2 21.2 0.619
15 11.8 21.8 0.598
16 12.3 22.3 0.578
17 12.9 22.9 0.560
18 13.4 23.4 0.542
19 14.0 24.0 0.525
20 14.5 24.5 0.509
21 15.0 25.0 0.493
22 15.4 25.4 0.479
23 15.9 25.9 0.464
24 16.4 26.4 0.451
25 16.8 26.8 0.438
26 17.2 27.2 0.426
27 17.6 27.6 0.414
28 18.0 28.0 0.403
29 18.4 28.4 0.392
30 18.8 28.8 0.381
31 19.2 29.2 0.371
32 19.6 29.6 0.362
33 19.9 29.9 0.352
34 20.2 30.2 0.343
35 20.6 30.6 0.335
36 20.9 30.9 0.326
37 21.2 31.2 0.318
38 21.5 31.5 0.311
39 21.8 31.8 0.303
40 22.1 32.1 0.296
41 22.4 32.4 0.289
42 22.7 32.7 0.283
43 23.0 33.0 0.276
44 23.3 33.3 0.270
45 23.5 33.5 0.264
46 23.8 33.8 0.258
47 24.0 34.0 0.253
48 24.3 34.3 0.247
49 24.5 34.5 0.242
50 24.8 34.8 0.237
51 25.0 35.0 0.232
52 25.2 35.2 0.227
53 25.4 35.4 0.222
54 25.7 35.7 0.218
55 25.9 35.9 0.214
56 26.1 36.1 0.209
57 26.3 36.3 0.205
58 26.5 36.5 0.201
59 26.7 36.7 0.197
60 26.9 36.9 0.194
61 27.1 37.1 0.190
62 27.3 37.3 0.186
63 27.4 37.4 0.183
64 27.6 37.6 0.180
65 27.8 37.8 0.176
66 28.0 38.0 0.173
67 28.1 38.1 0.170
68 28.3 38.3 0.167
69 28.5 38.5 0.164
70 28.6 38.6 0.161
71 28.8 38.8 0.159
72 28.9 38.9 0.156
73 29.1 39.1 0.153
74 29.2 39.2 0.151
75 29.4 39.4 0.148
76 29.5 39.5 0.146
77 29.7 39.7 0.143
78 29.8 39.8 0.141
79 30.0 40.0 0.139
80 30.1 40.1 0.136
81 30.2 40.2 0.134
82 30.4 40.4 0.132
83 30.5 40.5 0.130
84 30.6 40.6 0.128
85 30.7 40.7 0.126
86 30.9 40.9 0.124
87 31.0 41.0 0.122
88 31.1 41.1 0.120
89 31.2 41.2 0.119
90 31.4 41.4 0.117
91 31.5 41.5 0.115
92 31.6 41.6 0.113
93 31.7 41.7 0.112
94 31.8 41.8 0.110
95 31.9 41.9 0.109
96 32.0 42.0 0.107
97 32.1 42.1 0.106
98 32.2 42.2 0.104
99 32.3 42.3 0.103
100 32.4 42.4 0.101
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Postby KysenMurrin » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:36 am

Rhiannon wrote:They've removed the "removes chance to be hit and critically hit by x%" blurb that pops up when you mouseover defense in the character sheet? (Not on ptr, so no idea).

It's still there, but it's listing the percentage before DR. So Garath's right, if there are diminishing returns on miss, there's no way to know what your actual miss chance is. (Presumably the reason it's listed before DR is because the crit reduction is not affected. At this point it would make more sense to separate the two numbers, I think, but they're still combined on the character sheet.)
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Postby Rhiannon » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:38 am

Ah, makes sense now, thanks.
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Postby Modal » Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:50 am

http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/viewtopic.php?t=12925 lays out what we know as simply as I could.
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