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Divine Strength vs. Shield Spec.

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5 pts. for Divine Strength or 8 pts. for Shield Specialization?

Divine Strength
48
83%
Shield Specialization
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Divine Strength vs. Shield Spec.

Postby Valoriate » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:35 am

I understand that the Strength -> Block Value ratio has been increased quite a bit. 2 str = 1 BV if I read correctly. Given this increase I was considering the option of putting 5 pts. into Divine Strength instead of investing in Redoubt to get to Shield Spec. I do know also that possibly if I were to spec Div. Str. and not Shield Spec. I would maybe fore-go some mitigation for added threat, since Str->AP->TPS, but I would like to see some math comparison to know how much Block Value I would be gaining/losing.

My initial talent allocation would be as follows:

5 pts in Anticipation
5 pts in Divine Strength
1 in Kings, 3 in Imp Right Fury, 5 in Toughness

... and so on into the deeper prot tree. I ignore Redbout and Shield Spec. entirely.

I am requesting some logical math from our talented Tankadins to show the pro/cons of using Divinse Strength versus Shield Specialization with regards to Block Value. I would rather spend the 3 pts required in Redbout to gain Shield Spec., elsewhere. I hope I am being clear on my objective with this post.
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Postby Questioner » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:39 am

We dont know enough about gear to answer this question.


Atm, I plan on both for a progression tank, by dropping 1HS.
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Postby Melathys » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:40 am

unless they change shield spec to increase block value with BV added by strength, I don't see shield spec being used much. I expect we'll see more strength and less block value in gear.

Should they change shield spec to include BV from str, then there might be issues, lol.
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Postby Norrath » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:42 am

1HWS scales all our other stats. Dropping it would be ba-a-ad.

It depends on whether they change Shield Spec to count the BV from strength. If they don't, Divine Strength all the way. If they do, it will depend on our gear, I'd say... but I'm still leaning towards Divine Strength if I had to choose between the two.
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Postby PsiVen » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:47 am

Add an option for 'Both' and I'll vote.
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Postby Questioner » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:52 am

Norrath wrote:1HWS scales all our other stats. Dropping it would be ba-a-ad.


Do you know you need the 5% extra threat yet? No. In brand new content, threat takes a back seat to not dying. Otherwise you won't see the new content. I'd prefer to go in with the best chance of surviving, then determine whether a higher threat ceiling is needed.

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Norrath wrote:It depends on whether they change Shield Spec to count the BV from strength


I'll agree with you on that point. It would be retarded if they didn't update it.
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Postby Sabindeus » Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:59 am

PsiVen wrote:Add an option for 'Both' and I'll vote.
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Postby Extermi » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:15 am

In my opinion +15% Strength is a much too good threat and mitigation talent to skip it. Redoubt is only helpful in huge Trash waves (and, even if we think on something like Hyjal, the risky moments are when you are stunned and taking every hit), shield spec is nice for 3 points but not for a total of 8. So I will for sure skip it.

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Postby Norrath » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:17 am

Questioner wrote:
Norrath wrote:1HWS scales all our other stats. Dropping it would be ba-a-ad.


Do you know you need the 5% extra threat yet? No. In brand new content, threat takes a back seat to not dying. Otherwise you won't see the new content. I'd prefer to go in with the best chance of surviving, then determine whether a higher threat ceiling is needed.


Doesn't change the fact that 1HWS is the best threat talent we have (that doesn't introduce new abilities, such as HotR, HS, and AS). Dropping any other threat talent (such as Shield of the Templar) is preferable.
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Postby Blutreich » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:19 am

PsiVen wrote:Add an option for 'Both' and I'll vote.


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Postby moduspwnens » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:22 am

PsiVen wrote:Add an option for 'CBH' and I'll vote.


Fixed. Wait, what?
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Postby roosevelt » Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:53 am

CBH.


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Postby Norrath » Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:05 am

Seals of the Pure only affects Vengeance and Righteousness. Seal twisting is much too expensive mana-wise, so it only really affects one or the other (SoR during trash, SoV during bosses).

I very much doubt SoV is going to represent 30% of our threat output with HotR, ShoR, Ret aura, HS, and Consecration in the mix.

And 1HWS affects SoV and SoR too, anyway. There's very little doubt in my mind that 1HWS is better than SotP.
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