[Test Needed] Aggro test for ShoR, HotR, Shockwave

All things related to the expansion

Moderators: Fridmarr, Worldie, Aergis

[Test Needed] Aggro test for ShoR, HotR, Shockwave

Postby Sartor » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:35 pm

I would much appreciate if you run aggro test for Shield of Righteousness and Hammer of the Righteous.

TIP:
=============================================
Required stuff:

1. One Prot pally
2. One DPSers (preferably with no aggro modifications. Keep in mind rogues have natural aggro redution)
3. One tough mob

Procedure:

1. Make sure neither you nor your DPSer has any seals, threat talents or other buffs active (Devotion Aura doesnt count Razz), i.e. aggro modifiers.
2. Biatch-slap/Hammer the mob and turn off the autoattack (I assume it might be turned on when using these abilities)
3. Let the DPS start... uh, well, not bandage you... DPSing Razz
4. When he draws aggro finish off the mob (I assume the mob would be still alive if it was tough enough)
5. Check the combat of the DPSer, sum up his threat and calculate the total threat generated. It is advised for him to use just auto-attack.
6. Calculate your base threat from the skill tested.
7. DO NOT FORGET: melee needs to be 110% of your threat in order to draw the mob off you, ranged is 130%.
=============================================

Feel free to use your own procedure. Wink

I would like to add more exact numbers in the topic for Tanking Class Compilation.

In addition if somebody has a Warrior and willing to run a test of Warrior's Shockwave innate threat, could you please then give me the results?
Image
User avatar
Sartor
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:47 am

Postby Flex » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:41 pm

Might be ideal to use a low DPS narrow damage range 1H, liek a starting zone weapon, for more even DPS.
We live in a society where people born on third base constantly try to steal second, yet we expect people born with two strikes against them to hit a homerun on the first pitch.
User avatar
Flex
 
Posts: 7500
Joined: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:29 am

Postby Vanifae » Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:56 pm

Hammer of the Righteous does not force you to autoattack currently.
This is why I'm a humorless feminist. Because rape jokes killed my sense of humor.
Minnerva wrote:if you act like a jerk then we push you away unless when born the girl got slapped around by her father.
User avatar
Vanifae
 
Posts: 7123
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:36 am

Postby Splug » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:02 pm

If these numbers still haven't been drawn out in a week or two, I should be able to get the values for hammer and shockwave with the lv 70 ranks. However, odds of me leveling my paladin to 75 on beta are slim... and I'd be shocked if no one's tested any of that by the time I get ahold of a key. Sounds like a few people are closing in on PLD75 though...

-Splug
Active raid character: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-shee ... an&n=Spyte
255 characters is not enough to fit my alts' armories in.
User avatar
Splug
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 2381
Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:16 am

Re: [Test Needed] Aggro test for ShoR, HotR, Shockwave

Postby Winchester » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:29 pm

Sartor wrote:2. One DPSers (preferably with no aggro modifications. Keep in mind rogues have natural aggro redution)


Wand should do the trick.
Seal of Posting
220 Mana
Instant Cast
Fills the paladin with the urge to troll, granting each post a chance of luls.
Only one seal can be active on the paladin at any one time.

Unleashing this seal will bump your thread.
User avatar
Winchester
Maintankadonor
 
Posts: 133
Joined: Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:56 am

Postby Forlorn » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:27 pm

I will work on this for you tonight when I get home.

HotR doesnt turn on Autoattack, however SotR does and seems to time a swing to occur immediately when you do.

Still I will try and get you some numbers to work with.
Image
Forlorn
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 am
Location: A smll corner of hell

Postby Pizbit » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:36 pm

Can macro abilities that start auto-attack like this:

/cast blah
/stopattack
I have ADHD and OCD...I keep forgetting to wash my hands.
Pizbit
 
Posts: 2184
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:37 am

Postby Sharlos » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:17 pm

Pizbit wrote:Can macro abilities that start auto-attack like this:

/cast blah
/stopattack


yes
User avatar
Sharlos
 
Posts: 1566
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:46 pm
Location: Australia

Postby Sartor » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:51 pm

WTB numbers :(
Image
User avatar
Sartor
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:47 am

Postby Forlorn » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:44 am

I'll have them in the morning.
Image
Forlorn
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 am
Location: A smll corner of hell

Postby Sartor » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:19 am

Shameless bump!
Image
User avatar
Sartor
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:47 am

Postby Forlorn » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:07 am

Sorry for the delay, now I didnt get a huge ammount of testing in. However the setup was me lvl 77 and a feral druid, lvl 70 in tauren form swinging his staff.

So the first Hammer of the Righteous did 662 holy damage, that was the only damage i delt.

662

At 921 damage he pulled agro, his last hit was for 124 so it happened between 797 and 921.

2nd try HotR hit for 695, agro was pulled at 973, last hit was for 146 so between 837 and 973.

Now SotR I got lucky on this one cause I missed with my melee attack that happens at the exact same time.

777 holy damage, agro was pulled at 1169 damage delt. Last hit for 136 so between 1033 and 1169 is that spot. I'll get some more tries in to narrow it down but there are some basic numbers for you to grind.
Image
Forlorn
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 am
Location: A smll corner of hell

Postby d503 » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:23 am

Forlorn wrote:Sorry for the delay, now I didnt get a huge ammount of testing in. However the setup was me lvl 77 and a feral druid, lvl 70 in tauren form swinging his staff.

So the first Hammer of the Righteous did 662 holy damage, that was the only damage i delt.

662

At 921 damage he pulled agro, his last hit was for 124 so it happened between 797 and 921.

2nd try HotR hit for 695, agro was pulled at 973, last hit was for 146 so between 837 and 973.

Now SotR I got lucky on this one cause I missed with my melee attack that happens at the exact same time.

777 holy damage, agro was pulled at 1169 damage delt. Last hit for 136 so between 1033 and 1169 is that spot. I'll get some more tries in to narrow it down but there are some basic numbers for you to grind.


Seems like he's pulling aggro way to early...am I wrong?

In theory he should pull aggro at: ((Holy Dmg)*1.9)*1.1 (which in your first case would be 1383). This assumes Righteous Fury was active. Was it?

Can someone better at math let me know if that's right?
User avatar
d503
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:31 pm
Location: Northern California, US

Postby Forlorn » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:29 am

As per the original request no threat buffs were used including righteous fury. Those are base numbers without any modifiers.
Image
Forlorn
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:54 am
Location: A smll corner of hell

Postby Pizbit » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:41 am

Isn't this kinda moot since you can just use the built in threat meter now?
I have ADHD and OCD...I keep forgetting to wash my hands.
Pizbit
 
Posts: 2184
Joined: Fri Aug 10, 2007 11:37 am

Next

Return to WotLK

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Who is online

In total there is 1 user online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 1 guest (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 380 on Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:28 pm

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest